Weekly Gear Lockouts Kill Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

complaining about weekly lockout in an MMO is like complaining about paying tax.

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I do get the complaint, to be honest. When you hit the "raidlog" / "raid or die" portion, it isn't all that entertaining.

Still, I don't think the loss of lockouts would actually solve that issue at all. It would merely frontload player activity to the beginning of the patch cycle and leave the second half of the patch dead in the water.

The actual people that play so many jobs and want top gear for all of them are infinitesimal, compared to the more normal players that play 1 or 2 jobs.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

The actual people that play so many jobs and want top gear for all of them are infinitesimal, compared to the more normal players that play 1 or 2 jobs.

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I only raid for glam, my level of participation of any type of content is "does it have a good glam". I don't do savage for BiS, I do it because I want the look.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

You do not need gear for dungeons and normals, you need bis just to enter ultimate.
Besides, just for savage having more gear on tanks = more hp less damage taken less stress on healers, same goes for dps/healers .....

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Outgearing ain't the point of raiding savage, to be frank. Yeah it gets easier the more gear you get. That's one very good reason for these lockouts, since the nerf over time that the increase in item level represents is supposed to ... you know: TAKE TIME.

As a raider I always felt that gear is just a tool I need in order to be ready for the next tier. Sure, some items looked fabulous (great bonus) but getting better stats on my gear was never my motivation to raid. Progressing and beating the challenge was. In fact, I despised boring farm raids and opted out whenever I could. :'D

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I only raid for glam, my level of participation of any type of content is "does it have a good glam". I don't do savage for BiS, I do it because I want the look.

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Oh, a kindred spirit. :'D

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

What do you need all that gear for anyway? You can queue for all of the current content just with your level 100 gear and jewelry from dungeons or tomes. I've got 3 different roles kitted. Are all of them perfectly optimized? No, but they're all more than good enough to get the job done.

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same, without even trying. about to be on my 4th today. thatll be whm drk mch and vpr, so technically 3 gearsets since vpr shares accessories. i have run expert roulette 0 times this expansion so far but still have all the tomes ive needed. can farm more tomes by spamming the new raids for first clear bonus galore too lol

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I only raid for glam, my level of participation of any type of content is "does it have a good glam". I don't do savage for BiS, I do it because I want the look.

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I can relate to this.
I tend to call myself a "semi-collector". I only collect stuff if it really catches my eye.

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Originally Posted by 1313

same, without even trying. about to be on my 4th today. thatll be whm drk mch and vpr, so technically 3 gearsets since vpr shares accessories. i have run expert roulette 0 times this expansion so far but still have all the tomes ive needed. can farm more tomes by spamming the new raids for first clear bonus galore too lol

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Hardly surprising, since you farm ENTRY LEVEL gear right now.
The time gated tome gear comes next week when you can farm 450 tomes per week as usual. Combined with savage drops (weekly lockout).

Crafting gear will then be your quick way to i710 (I think).

I still wished theyd at least meet us in the middle and let us farm per role... it takes so long to farm for multiple jobs, once im done i can already start over again - and im not even gonna start about the upgrades.

The gear lockouts do suck. The main reason they are even there is because they are aped off of other MMO strategies for keeping people playing by making sure they got something to keep running after. Unfortunately the companies that implement the systems don't understand that this is an incredibly fragile way to keep people playing, because it depends on making an illusion of value on something that gets trivialized later. That and once people understand and have felt the pain of how all their effort ultimately is worthless, they usually don't do hard content again except for the sake of doing something more structured than the normal stuff.

Problem with FFXIV is that there is no catchup gear.

Savage and upgraded capped tomestone gear mix remains BiS until next savage patch. Alliance gear is glam-only, since its -10 ilvl. And while alliance gives alternative to upgrade mats, it does not help with tome weekly caps.

In the past it was less important, but now you need savage gear for ultimates and criterion dungeons were added that needs you to be geared as well.

Its hard to have multiple jobs ready for this, more so if you are midcore player (less raid playtime/week) or only PF - for the latter with bad luck you might not even have enough time to get what you want if you have to resort to books.

IMO SE can leave savage stuff as is, but given how many jobs we have alliance patch really need to allow proper catch up by having alliances give BiS. Yoshi-P even floated the alliance savage version idea, this for sure should give good gear which will keep it active.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The gear lockouts do suck. The main reason they are even there is because they are aped off of other MMO strategies for keeping people playing by making sure they got something to keep running after. Unfortunately the companies that implement the systems don't understand that this is an incredibly fragile way to keep people playing, because it depends on making an illusion of value on something that gets trivialized later. That and once people understand and have felt the pain of how all their effort ultimately is worthless, they usually don't do hard content again except for the sake of doing something more structured than the normal stuff.

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Its just pointless... "try hards" will just craft/buy crafted gear and call it a day, might not return till the next patch. Others will be lazy and only gear their main and MAYBE one more job... ppl who dont actually wanna play wont either way and it might only be a tiny fraction thats actually lured in with this...