MMO on Rails

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

How about you quote the whole thing and not just a part of it?

"We will have a strong in-game guide, making sure players know where to go and what activities are there to do once they enter a new map." http://www.mmoculture.com/?p=3030

Never knew a guide forced you to do something.

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So true haha.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

That's the definition of sandbox, and we know this game is in direction of theme park.
Btw, sandboxes aren't wonderful all they time: they are very difficult to balance and if something goes wrong, the game will folllow. that's a reason why sandbox are so few

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This. Sandbox MMOs are insanely difficult to balance because of the "freedom" that entails them. There's things that have to be left open for design purposes that can get abused. Likewise, it's a timesink-dependent model because of the simple fact that the game itself would have no clear direction. Sandbox is basically "here is the world. Live in it". Theme park is more along the lines of "here is the world, and this is your story/task/adventure".

PS: Well, damn, I forgot to look at who the OP was...

The trouble with FF14 wasn't that it was a Sandbox. It was just a box. It didn't have any sand in it. If they think making it a theme park will change the quality look at what they have added. Several random quests that offer absolutely nothing. There is a guy standing outside Uldah. He has a quest, I have been ignoring it for going on 2 years because it offers less exper than I can get from running out and killing a single copper coblyn. To run up noreth and find 3 more quests that do the exact same thing.

The demise of FF14 wasn't the sandbox aspect. It was the complete lack of scaling and content.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Rokien: "How many of you like eating poop?"

Everyone: "We don't like poop and would never eat it."

Rokien: "Ah-hah! See? SEE?? You guys proved my point! FFXIV is poop. You all hate it. See what I did there?"


/thread

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Yes, because I've said that how many times?

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

So true haha.

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It doesn't matter if I cut it off or not. It means the same thing, how much you wanna bet there will be a GO HERE arrow to your next quest just by opening your map. Where is the sense of adventure with that?

At least with the journal it's an option, you can read the text, if you didn't, well you look at the journal. It's not a beacon.

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Originally Posted by Mudd

Okay. Now I see why people don't enjoy your posts all that much. I never had a problem, but seeing how you took this from that other thread and needed to make a whole other thread about it gives me a decent idea of the problem.

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Huh, I'm happy to see that there are 5 pages of worthless discussion on this thread.

I did take it from another thread, yes. If I would have kept talking about this in a thread with MULTIPLE subjects, it would have been buried.
Over all subject- Yoshi-P's interview

Sub subjects- what he talked about

You will talk about yoshi ps interview and the different subjects, yes, but you will not get a full on discussion about all of them. Maybe one will override others, or it will just turn into a cluster *(%$#$. So, this was not a pointless thread if ideas and thoughts were shared on the matter at hand. In fact, next time you post, answer the question instead of being a dick.

Obviously people desperately need this. There are too many people out there who can not figure out things on their own (or feel they should not need to). Nor can they read the forums/guides (or feel they should not need to). Therefore if we wish to welcome these types of people we need 'rails' or every single support mechanism possible to make the experience as passive as possible (up to the point of: hit button to make big explosion).

Or... FFXIV targets a different segment of the market: Those who can figure out things on their own and do not need constant guidance.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I did take it from another thread, yes. If I would have kept talking about this in a thread with MULTIPLE subjects, it would have been buried.

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Because lord knows your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

>_> You can get to 30 in less than a week.



I'm not sure you know what an MMO is. You can get to 30 in like 15 hours of gameplay if you stick to leves only/parties (though there are no low-level parties since most of the playerbase is already 50 and there's hardly any low-level players that want to party or aren't being Pleveled).



There is interesting content at low-mid levels, just nobody actually does them. I'm talking about the lower-level NMs and the public dungeons. Those start at ~17, which is easily doable in 2 days. So you can start doing content after 2 days of playing.



Wait for 2.0. CC was sorta overcomplex to the point of being prohibitive (at least the first one). XI scared a lot of the players away because of a lack of guidance and "complexity." If you're looking for something complex to the point of scaring a lot of players away, FFXIV isn't the MMO for you. Of course, the guidance will probably be toggled off just like the current pop-up messages, optional leve tutorial, and mouseover help text....so you can have your "complexity" if you want it.

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Whoops I meant a single player rpg sorry.
But yeah I have to say if not for the one single dungeon there isn't any content that has diverted from those 2 points.

I don't think previous FF games are impossibly complex as you seem to think but different folks different strokes I guess.

Also adding depth to gameplay isn't as simple as toggling hud elements as some seem to think.
Again I'd look at previous FF games because there's endless ways to do that.

They said 2.0 will not be as leve sentric but I really hope these new quests aren't just like leves and give the player more freedom to do them in their own way.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Yes, because I've said that how many times?

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I liked his comment and thought it was very accurate. I know! You two should team up and make a thread together!

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Because lord knows your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's.

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When did I give my opinion until now in this thread? I asked a simple question. People answered, I don't see my opinion at all until a few posts ago.