There's too much strawmanning people who criticize the game

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they only stick to one type of content and don't do anything else.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they want tedious dailies and weeklies to artificially inflate the game time.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes job design, they want everything to be Heavensward levels of clunkiness.

Why are some people so quick to assume that anyone who criticizes the game fits some X stereotype? You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that the game lacks content even when they play at a casual pace and try out all kinds of different content. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that jobs like SMN have become braindead without being an elitist tryhard. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone that wishes there is more to do in the game also does not want grinds that serve no purpose.

Here is the reason why these people strawman those who criticize the game: because it's far easier to dismiss criticisms when you just assume that the problem lies with the individual and not the game.

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it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

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i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Yes. It's not enough.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Yes. It's not enough.

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then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

The truth hurts. Which is why a lot of people hate to hear it......FACTS

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People usually shout "Facts" to someone else's idea. You doing that to your own is just sad.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

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Then explain how.... Don't be vague. Be specific. What exactly do you want added?

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Yes. It's not enough.

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How is that not enough?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

2. Stop complaining about people complaining.

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However that can fall into the trap that you end up listening to faulty feedback since you only got feedback from the most engaged players and nothing from those that actually left ending up with a feedback loop of sorts.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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I would agree with that, if they didn't have weekly caps.