Paladin weakest Tank now

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Somebody asked in FC and I had a Eureka moment.

Fight or Flight needs to affect ALL damage, not just physical.

Especially now that such a significant portion of the PLD kit is magical.

Fight or Flight would line up perfectly with Requiescat windows.

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I rather like this idea.

One of the things that annoy me on the PLD for a while and still does is Fight or Flight only working for the physical sword phase and having to do a double-take to remind myself not to accidently hit that button before going into Requiescat Magic Phase. I'll vote for that.

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Originally Posted by Visanis

I remember in 4.0 when DRK was a solid 300-400 dps behind WAR and PLD and back then it was perfectly okay with everyone. Why is it now not okay that they are ahead by a similar margin in 6.0?

The double standards when it comes to damage numbers is laughable.

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Nobody was okay with it.

They were all (including myself) perpetually malding about it, actually!

Yup after leveling my PLD I am leveling a warrior now, shouldn’t we be poster boy of this release we are behind warrior on self sustain and last on dps, why play paladin when you can play warrior.

DRK for all their complaining are in demand, their tank dps is the highest

pld should be lowest dps they bring raid utility but dmg is too low. it should be behind war.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

So if it won't affect you, why do you even care what is said here, let those that do care, actually voice their concerns. :)

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I think it is an important perspective. There are probably many more lurkers than posters and for many of them their view can be skewed by the veritable single minded salt mine that are these forums.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Gun's and especially WAR's defensive kits are more efficient and flexible than Paladin's, and DRK still has the best Tank CD in the game.

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*cough* Bloodwhetting *cough*

@Ampheni

They really do need to shave at least 2 min off the CD for Hallowed Ground. WAR can't die while using theirs and they can use it every 3 minutes. They also have so much self healing now that it's basically Hallowed Ground! It's bullshit!

Lets not forget we are the only tank to not get anything from using our group protect skill (Divine Veil) and it's the only one with a heal gate on it. Not to mention it's weaker than WAR's by 5% and while we currently have a 400 potency heal on it, WAR has a 300 potency heal on theirs. Like, what the fuck? How does that even make sense! I'm tired of PLD always getting shit on and SE never fixing anything. Been playing since 2.0 as well.

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Originally Posted by Abomination713

Lets not forget we are the only tank to not get anything from using our group protect skill (Divine Veil) and it's the only one with a heal gate on it. Not to mention it's weaker than WAR's by 5% and while we currently have a 400 potency heal on it, WAR has a 300 potency heal on theirs. Like, what the fuck? How does that even make sense! I'm tired of PLD always getting shit on and SE never fixing anything. Been playing since 2.0 as well.

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Paladins have 2 raidwide mitigation skills, the other three tanks have one. Passage of Arms guarantees a block for yourself, use that if you need mitigation on yourself too. But you're a tank, so you don't actually need DV's shield for raidwides.
Divine Veil's shield is based off the PLD's HP, WAR's shield is based off each individual party member's HP so they're very close in value until a WAR spends cooldowns to buff Shake it Off.

PLD is stupidly strong, you can't be serious.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Paladins have 2 raidwide mitigation skills, the other three tanks have one. Passage of Arms guarantees a block for yourself, use that if you need mitigation on yourself too. But you're a tank, so you don't actually need DV's shield for raidwides.
Divine Veil's shield is based off the PLD's HP, WAR's shield is based off each individual party member's HP so they're very close in value until a WAR spends cooldowns to buff Shake it Off.

PLD is stupidly strong, you can't be serious.

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You can't be serious if you think Passage of Arms means anything. No one uses it outside of raids or dungeon boss fights that have VERY specific times when we can use it and there are many raids in the game that completely ignore it's effects on the party. Next you'll be telling me Cover is an amazing skill.

I will give it to you that you are right about the WAR's 15% being the individuals HP's. I don't main them and the tool tip doesn't exactly say that either. However, can you explain to me why the PLD is the only one with a heal gate on it that hurts more than it helps? Why does the WAR heal others when that doesn't even make sense for their job? Why is the PLD the only one that doesn't gave any benefit from using their group protect, but all the other tanks do?

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Originally Posted by Abomination713

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If they remove two minutes off of Hallowed Ground's cooldown, then it would have the same recast as Living Dead. I would find that especially hilarious, because that's exactly the kind of grossly incompetent balancing decision that I'd expect this dev team to make just to keep players playing PLD, on par with the buffs to Holmgang last expansion. Personally, I think that they should have outright removed Divine Veil, seeing as it's an additional mitigation tool over what everyone else has, and PLD has a surplus of actions anyways carried over from previous expansions. They're just afraid of removing actions now that it hurts players' feelings. I thought especially entertaining that you felt that Passage of Arms is useless. Not knowing how to use your toolkit doesn't mean that the job in need of buffs.

It's funny. DRK has had about four years worth of unaddressed issues, to the point that long term players have collectively given up and by and large abandoned the job. You can't even make them stay with good dps numbers. Then these people show up for one week before the raid balancing patch and start bawling their eyes out, and watch them get everything they asked for. The one consolation is that tanking itself is pretty underwhelming at the moment, so this is the perfect time to bail. But it's tiresome seeing the same jobs consistently get preferential treatment from the devs.