The trouble with telling tanks W2W pulls are a mandatory norm.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not suicide in leveling dungeons most of the time because it's not technically possible; it's suicide because it's significantly more dangerous with a higher likelihood of getting inexperienced healers who aren't gear synched.

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Like I said, my primary consideration is "what makes the tank/healer comfortable". If the tank wants to pull small (or I'm tanking and the healer would prefer I pull small), hey, that's what we do.

I will still generally offer regardless, because when they know the other half of the tank/healer pairing isn't going to be angry/mean if things go bad, folks are willing to give stuff a try. And sometimes it doesn't work out, and hey, that's the breaks. But sometimes it does, and I know few greater joys in leveling roulette than watching a learning tank as their confidence "clicks" and they realize "oh hey, I can handle this".

(I will also usually point out the caster, if there is one, that they can use LB to burn down a big pull like that a fair chunk. And I also enjoy watching the moment of realization as it becomes clear that, oh, hey, caster LB is really good at trash pulls.)

So, yeah, I agree it's not great play to force folks past a point where they're comfortable -- because, again this is a game. But I will absolutely offer to give it a go with them, and often they take up the offer, and sometimes that works out well. And the "holy heck, we just vaporized all of that at once" moments with folks who didn't think they could manage it -- and who then realize they can -- are sometimes the best part of roulettes.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

You can't really wall to wall levelling dungeons. But 50/60/70/80 and all levelling dungeons from Shadowbringers have stop gates. You can 100% pull to the gate in every one of those dungeons and if you aren't then you are wasting people's time.

In fact, it's so easy to wall to wall in every level 80 dungeons, you don't even need a healer in the party at all. All the expert dungeons can be easily done with 1 tank, 3 DPS without any issues at all.

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Since people keep skipping over it.. please provide proof that you can wall 2 wall pull lv80 dungeons without a healer..

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Since people keep skipping over it.. please provide proof that you can wall 2 wall pull lv80 dungeons without a healer..

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You can't honestly be that lazy. First result on youtube. "If I can't do it no one can!"

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Originally Posted by Itsgigglez

I had a healer rescue me into a mob pack cus they wanted me to pull more. Then got mad when I died cus I was in not good gear and they werent healing me :^)

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I've gotten so salty about '' Rescue '' recently, I don't necessarily blame the Healers for this specifically but I like to utilize my teleport on NIN or get my SSS in on MNK etc.
And so many Healers recently freak out if you try to get your GCD's in and move out right before it hits and pull you.

Especially frustrating on NIN if I am doing Ten Chi Jin and am going to teleport into safety and I have more than enough time to do it, and Healer '' Rescues '' me ..........
Salt level overload.

Today in The Aery I was running to a statue on the first boss and a Healer was like '' nope you're putting the lightning here '' and pulled me to the middle of the arena just as I was about to put it down then ran the opposite direction to show me where he wanted me to put it down lol...
Best thing is when the whole group runs to the wrong spot except for you, and then the Healer pulls you to your death or into the damage because they think you're wrong.
Especially when the others don't die but you die specifically because of the pull.

Normally it's not that the Healers mean anything bad I mean it's just a mistake and a reasonable mistake a lot of the time.
But I honestly can probably count the amount of times I've actually been saved by it on one or two fingers.

It's not mandatory, all you gotta say is "Hey I'm a bit inexperienced/undergeared/new to the dungeon so I'm gonna pull slower" and people will be like "Sure, we'll go at your pace" 99% of the time

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

It's not mandatory, all you gotta say is "Hey I'm a bit inexperienced/undergeared/new to the dungeon so I'm gonna pull slower" and people will be like "Sure, we'll go at your pace" 99% of the time

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Or leave and do something more interesting... if it's a level 80 dungeon. Levelling dungeons I can understand going slow in, but 50/60/70/80 dungeons... no reason not to W2W (if you've done even one of those dungeons, you've done them all).

Wall-to-wall pulls are expected at max Lvl.

Players leveling tanks/healers for the first time should experience big pulls at some point while leveling.

Big pulls might be overwhelming at the start. Especially when you haven't unlocked most of your job tool kit. Things get way better once you unlock certain abilities later on. It makes mitigation and healing a lot easier.

A lot of players overestimate the difficulty of big pulls. They try it early on when they barely have enough mitigation/healing abilities and assume it is always going to be the same. That's not true.

From my experience, big pulls while leveling (up to a certain point) are harder than big pulls at max level.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Since people keep skipping over it.. please provide proof that you can wall 2 wall pull lv80 dungeons without a healer..

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Here is 1 example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SalusJfiwn8
WAR is the best tank for no-healer dungeon runs because they have good self-heal that isn't a DPS loos when used.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The only time i don't tank wall to wall is when we have a scholar in the group, cause you can be sure they just read their book and afk while the poor HoT in stupid AI pet form tries to keep all the players alive. Never trust a scholar, ever!

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Sounds like you had a bad experience with a scholar, and now you're generalizing all scholars based on that. We have got to stop doing this people.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Here is 1 example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SalusJfiwn8
WAR is the best tank for no-healer dungeon runs because they have good self-heal that isn't a DPS loos when used.

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I mean, to do this you have to run the dungeon unsynched. So, exactly how high over the ilvl limit was everyone in that video?

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I mean, to do this you have to run the dungeon unsynched. So, exactly how high over the ilvl limit was everyone in that video?

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Roulette doesn't ilvl sync you for lvl80 dungeons, so this point is moot.

Hell, Paglth'an, the most recent dungeon, has been solod by a Warrior.