More buttons doesn't means more skill, look at AoE/Single Target variants. What's the decision behind "should I press X or Y?", the answer is always obvious if you know math and how the games works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayuhra
But more button can also means more execution skill. Compare MCH wildfire from HW/SB to Wildfire from ShB.
As far as I know, raiding in WoW is a gear check, not mechanic+dps check. Crusade classic was cleared a few days after release.
No matter if you press 1 at the same speed, players will have different outcomes based on their gear. Gear is easy to access in XIV.
People who find the button number tedious just don't have any button management skill.
It's up to them to better manage their hotbar, not to the others to reduce their fun.
Believe me if you were to spam 1, you would first be relieved but then bored really, really hard.
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07-22-2021, 04:38 PMCKNovel
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07-22-2021, 04:47 PMNyarlhaWhat gives you the authority to assume what people would think?Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
1 1 1 and 1 2 3 are both equally boring. There is absolutely no thought going into pressing 1 2 3 already. -
07-22-2021, 05:03 PMDinahDemiurgeThat's why it should be more complex. longer branching combos based on situation, proc, effects, would make the game infinitely more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyarlha
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07-22-2021, 05:05 PMCKNovelOh, simply based on experience, not authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyarlha
Can't you see DRK, WAR and MCH complaining about the spam? Or Healers bored to hell with 2 DPS abilities?
I follow you on that, 1 2 3 can be monotonous on tanks and MCH but that should be extended, not compressed in a single button.
Otherwise you'd get the same result but you'd manage to make it even more boring. -
07-22-2021, 05:19 PMNyarlha
As things have been going, we all know they're not going to make the jobs more complicated. So, all things being the same regarding basic combos, I'd rather free up a few keybinds to actually add some interesting new abilities.
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07-22-2021, 05:23 PMSwimcito
i strongly disagree ...
I play Gunbreaker, and i still would like 2 more skills..
A heal, and another cool skill. ...
I Dont remember if it was WOD or MOP, in wow where they did skill pruning, and felt horrible afterwards .....
In fact i am already criying about the stats squish .... (the bugs and all is crap, its just it takes more space on Databases)
I Want my character to feel ever more powerful... Not weaker ... -
07-22-2021, 05:32 PMSwimcitoI agree that some skills could be improved ...Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
I Switched from Warrior to Gunbreaker, even though thematically i liked warrior more, simply because Gunbreaker's toolkit is more fun...
Yeah you still have the 1, 2, 3, but in Gunbreaker's case at least, not only you open 4-7,5-8,6-9 (with 7,8,9 being oGCD on Continuation), but you also have two instants (a single attack and aoe one) and when the whole 4,5,6 > 7,8,9... at least you get Burst Strike to "discharge" cartridges... and on your 1,2,3 there is also mini game, as in 2 heals you, and 3 gives you a cartridge... Besides that you also get an Bleed which takes up a global but i like it as it is (only its dmg suck), but completes the rotation.
Whereas Warrior was all about, 1,2,3 > repeat till enough rage, fell cleave, and every 2 minutes Inner Release > fell cleave, fell cleave, fell cleave, fell cleave... then infuriate inner chaos/cyclone.. wait for inner release cooldown doing 1,2,3 ... Repeat .... And dont even get me started on the fact that Inner Release pre lvl 70 sucks (in the rotation, as you are rage starved) -
07-22-2021, 05:34 PMCKNovelPower will not change before and between squish. Example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swimcito
Pre Squish you will deal 100 to a monster with 1000 hp.
Post Squish you will deal 20 to a monster with 200hp.
In the end you still deal 10% of the monster hp.
Numbers will be easier to read, you probably won't steamroll as much on previous content from ARR or HW if the gap between expansion is reduced.
Feedback has strongly been going on the fact that some jobs are boring. Healers being a quite unpopular role due to that lack of buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyarlha
Jobs such as Dragoon and Black Mage feels perfect and they should be a standard for other jobs design. For those they may not add buttons.
But other jobs desperatly needs buttons, WAR is a joke and my hotbar looks like swiss cheese. -
07-22-2021, 05:43 PMNyarlhaHealers have their own issues, obviously their DPS is basically tied to 3 buttons, one ST, one AOE, one DoT.Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
To me WAR is a good example of consolidation on which you can build and add more skills. Fell Cleave and Decimate actually changing to Inner Chaos and Chaotic Cyclone is good, you don't need it to be different keybinds. Some other jobs would really need this kind of thing. Like DRG, you could have Blood of the Dragon changes to Stardiver during LotD, because there is never a case where you'd hit BotD during LotD. There, that's one keybind less.
The devs are pretty clear that from expansion to expansion, they want to keep the same amount of keybinds for each job. So you have 3 possibilites :
- You get Traits that changes an existing skill
- You get abilities pruned to make room for new skills.
- You find a way to consolidate existing hotkeys in order to make room for new skills.
Of these three, I'd rather have number 3. Traits changing a skill are boring, and nobody wants to lose abilities to get new ones. -
07-22-2021, 05:45 PMShurrikhanHow does one add "some new interesting abilities" without making the jobs any "more complicated"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyarlha
More boss-obscuring VFX? An eleventh step in a rigid linear combo?
Complexity is not an inherently bad thing. On the other hand, bloat and convolution (or, say, the gradual removal of affordances by clueless tack-ons that cost them their modularity, or trimming toolkits to shallowed mainstay content only to then further shallow out content to meet those trimmed toolkits)... yeah, that's bad.