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I'd feel very guilty if I signed up to a duty and didn't at least try to be productive and prepared. I play single player games when I'm in the mood to just mess around because I don't want to inconvenience other players/waste their time.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd feel very guilty if I signed up to a duty and didn't at least try to be productive and prepared. I play single player games when I'm in the mood to just mess around because I don't want to inconvenience other players/waste their time.

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Agreed. I may not be the best but I can't imagine going into a duty with other people and just not trying, and if that includes having a few items to push things along then that's fine. I don't get bothered by a run taking longer than average but I'll do my best to ensure it's not because of me.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nothing wrong with informing, and I am aware that most of the raid using essences vs. not using essences makes a real difference. 1 person doesn't, though, especially if that person is a DPS, because skirmisher isn't the massive DPS increase that the tank and healer essences are.

What you should try to understand, though, is a lot of people are essentially doing Bozja because it's holding their relic hostage. Expecting real commitment is unrealistic; it may just be enough that the relic is keeping this content alive for the people who like it, even if it's doing so by forcing the non-committed to grit their teeth and bear whatever minimum they have to suffer through.

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Yes, and when players largely aren't using essences in the majority of DR runs, the potential grind becomes around 15 hours PER RELIC, for this step alone! As opposed to what could be half that amount of time! I keep getting burned out trying to do DR for the rest of my relics, because I can barely get 3 or 4 runs PER NIGHT. It'll take up most of my playtime (the amount I can bear of DR), for that little amount of runs! I just assume other players who are going through the same grind would want to shorten that experience.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and when players largely aren't using essences in the majority of DR runs, the potential grind becomes around 15 hours PER RELIC, for this step alone! As opposed to what could be half that amount of time! I keep getting burned out trying to do DR for the rest of my relics, because I can barely get 3 or 4 runs PER NIGHT. It'll take up most of my playtime (the amount I can bear of DR), for that little amount of runs! I just assume other players who are going through the same grind would want to shorten that experience.

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Here it becomes a macro issue. You seem like the type who would farm essences in order to bring 100% every time, because you're a good little boyscout. So, you farm away, essence up every time and look at where you are; you can still BARELY get a few runs a night because your specific contribution didn't really matter.

Now maybe the fact that you weren't "part of the problem" keeps you warm through that wasted effort, but I don't really care about "the principle of the thing." I'm not wasting more time in Bozja, especially when I know it won't realistically make a difference for me on a micro scale. I'm in this for my relic, and so is most everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Here it becomes a macro issue. You seem like the type who would farm essences in order to bring 100% every time, because you're a good little boyscout. So, you farm away, essence up every time and look at where you are; you can still BARELY get a few runs a night because your specific contribution didn't really matter.

Now maybe the fact that you weren't "part of the problem" keeps you warm through that wasted effort, but I don't really care about "the principle of the thing." I'm not wasting more time in Bozja, especially when I know it won't realistically make a difference for me on a micro scale. I'm in this for my relic, and so is most everyone else.

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Prime example of the parasitism that plagues this game.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's too bad clicking the queue or register button isn't too much "work" for players who won't bother, and seemingly have no care for the rest of the players in the instance.

I will literally never understand why some players might justify wasting not only their own time, but everyone elses too. I think it's a very rude mindset, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

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I will literally never understand someone who complains about others not making enough effort. But simultaneously will not put in the effort themselves to get what they want, ie join pf. Oh the irony! Everyone else put more effort in because I want to be able to hit que and have every person in that instance using all essences at all times or I am not satisfied!! I shouldn't have to join a PF specifically made for speed runs! YOU should do what I want because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. Just... lol

If we are enjoying ourselves it is not a waste of our time. If you find that you are not enjoying yourself, maybe put in the effort to make it enjoyable?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Prime example of the parasitism that plagues this game.

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Why are you on the forums whining when you should be killing trash in Bozja so you can carry me through DR. Get back to work.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

This is why I envy the JP datacenters, as they seems to have some sense of what the word "coop" and "others people times". NA...NA is a dumpster fire. I am glad they don't listen to us at times.

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Yes because all who post here are from NA. Me healing and keeping my party alive to even DPS is "coop" Yknow that in coop there is also the fact that not every plays the same? Yoshi P said himself that players should take their time with this content and not burn themselves out. This is not content for people looking to be 100%ing dps all the time. It's for everyone. And I think JP players would understand that instead of belligerently demanding a total stranger play how they want because it suits them xD

For that matter, a healer in DR should be using profane, and the healing should be coming from the DPS in the form of lost cures. Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I will literally never understand someone who complains about others not making enough effort. But simultaneously will not put in the effort themselves to get what they want, ie join pf. Oh the irony! Everyone else put more effort in because I want to be able to hit que and have every person in that instance using all essences at all times or I am not satisfied!! I shouldn't have to join a PF specifically made for speed runs! YOU should do what I want because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. Just... lol

If we are enjoying ourselves it is not a waste of our time. If you find that you are not enjoying yourself, maybe put in the effort to make it enjoyable?

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Did the 23 other players in the instance agree that no essences were fine? Furthermore, your logic can be turned on you as should pf a no essence run because you want to "chill" and find 23 likeminded players.