Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's preventing you from queuing for a certain time because you did something they didn't want you to do. Like a temporary suspension prevents you from accessing your account because you did something they didn't want you to; but I guess you could call a suspension a cooldown to, lol.

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I have to wait 7 minutes after pressing Hallowed Ground because I didn't want to take damage. A temporary suspension on being invulnerable. Welcome to hyperboles my friend.
Leaving a dungeon is always an option, as it always should. You cannot trap players in places they don't want to be, and like I said before this is a good thing it'll free up spots for players that actually do want to be there.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I don't find people do that as much now. That was a problem for quite some time but seems to have gotten much better for me at least and I run main at least twice a day on two different characters. I don't think the penalty needs to be increased but the differences in xp awarded for that duty should be higher than it is. That's why people are leaving.

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Uhh, I myself did this just yesterday. 2 People left Castrum, so I left. Then I got Praetorium and my progress from level 79 to 80 as RDM was assured. Granted most of the time people will stick with Castrum, but it's still a regular occurrence that people ditch it. I've done the MSQ roulette everyday for the past 7 days and ditched Castrum twice because people starting leaving.

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Originally Posted by MariaArvana

Why would people drop outta Prae though if the rewards were equal or much closer together?

A penalty is 30mins. Prae is roughly 40-45 mins. Castrum is roughly 20-25. It'd actually take longer for someone to drop outta Prae, wait for their cooldown, re-queue, then finish Castrum before the Prae run would have finished. That also assumes instant queues, which may not be the case, and is basically impossible outside of a lucky situation for dps. Also assuming you get Castrum, when it's still 50/50 and you can just get Prae again.

For it to be worth it, someone else would have to leave first before you could leave to avoid the 30mins, then you'd have to have an instant queue, THEN you'd have to hope you get the 50/50% on getting castrum. Anyone that wants to be time-efficient would have very little reason to leave Prae if they wanted exp, as without perfect conditions, they'll end up wasting more time in the long run.

There's basically little loss to making the rewards equal. You might get an occasional person that wants to be time-inefficient for some reason, and yes, Prae wouldn't be the ideal choice to be getting, but it'd still be optimal over attempting to fish a castrum through leaving and suffering penalties and then suffering a 50/50% shot, which if failed, starts the whole process over and can double, triple or quadruple the time you'd have spent trying to do MSQ roulette in the first place.

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exactly theres nothing to lose from making the rewards equal or at least closer as anyone with braincells would realize theyd waste more time trying again for castrum than just spending 20 mins on prae.

Castrum might be shorter, but it's half an hour where you have to play continously, go through eventual wipes, etc. Prae is longer, but the total combat time is what, 10 mins at most? You don't need to actually sit there and watch cinematics, as long as you're there when they end. So yeah, the rewards are absolutely unbalanced, Castrum gives less xp than a levelling roulette, which almost certainly will take less time, Prae gives 3x that much.
If the rewards were even vaguely balanced, people wouldn't drop out of Castrum. People also would drop out of Castrum less if people playing through it cares to follow mechanics at all instead of just going through it blindly (especially in Livia cannon fight) to make it at least less of a torture.

Specifically these two dungeons I really do hope they rework into solo instances w/ the trust system.

In addition, I do wish they had some sort of fast-pass system for roulette that works as follows:
1) wait for queue (as per normal)
2) someone drops, gets the 30 min penalty
3) players still in roulette get flagged if they accept to “replace party members”.
4) 5 minutes after the replace party members accepted, if the party is not full and ready, a “vote to abandon” pops, characters that exit roulette, get “fast pass” buff. Said buff lasts.. I dunnno.. 10 minutes?
5) Buff has characters get bumped to front of line if they queue for the same roulette.

...the problem for me whenever this happens in any roulette is not so much the people coming and going, it’s that my time in the queue was wasted, sometimes 30ish minutes.

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Originally Posted by Novaura

Nearly every time I have got Castrum Meridianum in Main Scenario roulette over the last few months, there is a player who leaves the dungeon before it even starts and it is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because as soon as one player quits, everyone else follows suit...

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Feels like a mindset problem on your datacenter, as in mine that doesn't happen. But well, even if that happens, as long as you have one healer left, you can do the full run with just four people, without feeling it so hard.

Then, if someone joins that roulette and leaves because the dice rolled the unwanted dungeon, is not a problem of the game.

I've got nothing but CM for the past week. Noone dropped instantly and while i would prefer Prae, due to the much larger exp, there's nothing really you could do.
Also as a DPS queues for MSQ roulette are already bad as is, so eating a half an hour penalty on top of another 20-30 minutes for another queue would be kind of bad.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

The OP's attitude is pure toxicity. "Help me through a dungeon you don't want to do or you should just stop playing this game." I'm all for helping people through things, but FORCING people to stay if they don't want to is literally holding them hostage. No thanks. Maybe reevaluate how seriously you're taking this game, OP.

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Yes, because we're FORCING someone to do the dungeon. That they opened the Duty Finder for, manually clicked, personally hit the Queue button and then intentionally hit Accept when the Queue popped.

Forced indeed.

While i personally haven't had many people leave immediately, I did have an interesting one where one player got stuck in a black screen after the cutscene and the gate refused to vanish, leaving us all stuck for almost 5 minutes until we got the affected person to force close the game and relog.

Honestly, The only thing I'd want to see is leaving CM/Prae for any reason (Kick, DC etc) consume the bonus roulette rewards. You either stick with it and get the Poetics and EXP or give up the bonus for that day.
Yes, It would occasionally catch unintentional disconnects out of peoples control, which is unfortunate to be sure but ultimately would benefit the community as a whole. Hell, I'd extend that reward lockout to ANY Roulette.
Sick to death of doing Levelling Roulette and landing in a nearly empty party in AV because people abandon it instantly.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Honestly, The only thing I'd want to see is leaving CM/Prae for any reason (Kick, DC etc) consume the bonus roulette rewards. You either stick with it and get the Poetics and EXP or give up the bonus for that day.
Yes, It would occasionally catch unintentional disconnects out of peoples control, which is unfortunate to be sure but ultimately would benefit the community as a whole. Hell, I'd extend that reward lockout to ANY Roulette.
Sick to death of doing Levelling Roulette and landing in a nearly empty party in AV because people abandon it instantly.

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Yes this so much... If you dont wanna deal with a roulett, then que for sastasha 15x and be happy.

I think I am going on almost 30 castrums in a row, that I have stuck with because I don't want to be that guy, but my patience is wearing super thin and I don't think I can keep doing them. I do msq roulette for the exp rewards and castrum just isn't worth the time. SE needs to close the gap and maybe give 2/3 the exp of prae instead of scratching 1/3. Especially when you get it every day for almost a full month....

Or maybe SE could just redo the handful of dungeons that ppl hate with such a passion and constantly ditching out on, or weigh the roulette differently since there is clearly an imbalance on how instances are handed out.