I guess it just took a few knocks over the head to see the light.
I understand what everyone is saying now. I experienced Garuda EX last night by queuing up in the duty finder and we wiped a few times before we got the mechanics down. And Paladinleeds saying Geruda is the EASY one puts it in a different perspective. I can see that you don't want a group of inexperienced players doing that in unknown party.
I just don't want to miss out on content. I love this game and I want to experience all of it.
The Coils themselves have some good story in them but I don't want to rush through it.
Can we please put Coils of Bahamut in normal raid roulette?
Vue imprimable
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05/11/2019, 07h19MeanDragon
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05/11/2019, 07h21Wiccan026Honestly try to make a party finder, say there is bonus for first time and you want to watch cut sceneseCitation:
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05/11/2019, 07h24Johaandr
Eden is a joke even savage. Do not compare coils to eden.
Same goes for alex 1-4 but they were «overtuned». -
05/11/2019, 07h28Esmoire
I do favour this idea but not without stipulation. Regardless of difficulty honestly I think some of them require some pacing revision and streamlining to ideally have time scale with reward to a better degree. Also since this would be the first normal raids people would encounter, maybe keeping the mechanics the same but explaining them better. And honestly? A lot of them are just boring.
I'd probably leave the savage versions as-is for people obsessed with reliving the old experiences for some reason. -
05/11/2019, 07h28Nockvryca
Garuda ex is one of the easy trials, but imagine getting something like shinryu, thorsen, or even hades ex. That's what people are asking for in this thread, but with raids, and they do not realize that alot of the playerbase does not do savage raids, so the roulette will be unclearable for the vast majority of the playerbase,
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05/11/2019, 07h46FynlarSE has never put savage-tier stuff in a roulette. Even mentor roulette, which has all EX primals not of the current xpac, doesn't have the savage raids in there... and by extension, it doesn't have Coil. (And frankly, I don't think EX primals belong in the mentor roulette either...)Citation:
So just to be clear:
The argument against adding it to roulettes is that it's too hard?
OK.
A big discrepancy in difficulty between duties in a roulette is a bad thing. It will just cause people to bail on the tougher duties when they happen to come up. Mentor roulette has this problem with EX primals. Trials used to have this problem with stuff like Steps of Faith and Chrysalis, although that's gradually alleviated over (a long) time. Hell, alliance raid roulette has this problem too, it's just that most people get around it by intentionally dropping their item level so that they can only get the easier raids.
Petition for a Savage roulette or condemn SE for not making a story mode variant of Coil if you wish, but Coil simply does not belong with the story mode raids in normal raid roulette. -
05/11/2019, 08h03ForteNightshadeI have a challenge for you. Go make a Party Finder for O12S synced. When you come back several hours later lamenting on why it never filled. You'll have your answer on why Savage isn't suitable for a roulette.Citation:
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05/11/2019, 08h08NoitemsThey added echo in Orbonne probably just because of Cid. Another example of unga bunga gameplay taking the helm over an actual fun fight due to it's mechanics.Citation:
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Other people have spoken up for how I feel about this info so i'll rest my case on that.Citation:
Envoyé par Endeleon
You're new to the game so it's understandable. Any fight beyond the casual sphere EX,Savage,Ultimate is recommended to do some research to avoid as many issues as you can(unless you find an entire group that does blind). It's a group effort and you don't want to weigh down your team because you weren't prepared. Mentor rou (something I run far too often) is filled with new players attempting EX fights and expecting it to go the same as normal. maybe being a lil bit harder The amount of times you see sprouts with ironworks gear hopping into Ramuh EX and Titan EX are a common thing and mentors really have to make that call if they want to stay and help or cut their losses and bounce. Mind you these are synced rous similar to the idea you're requesting and even then it's still a shitshow. PF exists for that reason to get equal minded people together and heck even customize it to their needs. Rous are just a daily login routine and are meant to be a one and done for the day, nothing crazy unless you sign on the mentor rou dotted line and get something nasty.Citation:
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05/11/2019, 08h11NestamaThe problem is that some people aren't willing to try and expect everyone else to carry them .-.Citation:
Envoyé par DamianFatale
If people want to clear Coil (now), it's better to just solo/duo it (trio for Avatar) at level 80. Heck, take a BLU with you for T9 to kill the giant Golem (they're the only Job capable of doing this thanks to Missile and Screwtail). -
05/11/2019, 08h29Crushnight
This is what you want in raid roulette:
T9:
Instant death wall (akin to falling off platform so no problem here),
Random Multi Dives where if you get no heal between 2 if picked twice = death,
Stack marker that doesn't look like a stack marker(lets not go over how many fail the consistent stack marker shall we),
Unmarked aoe that heals the boss if hit,
Tankbuster which gives a debuff that explodes when timer up dealing tb damage,
Meteor marks that cannot be dropped near each other,
3 adds that cannot get close to each other, that cannot eat more than 3 meteors but also must eat all meteors currently up between them,
Place new meteors without getting close again,
Repeat 3 adds but with more meteors to eat,
After transition make sure not mid for unannounced blade and knockback or insta die,
Kill add and use the puddles dropped to cleanse debuff given,
Unannounced(for 1st time) 5 hit tb combo,
Mark random safe zones for divebombs which change every 5 hit tb combo,
Make sure not to get hit by 2 fire tethers while also making sure lightning debuff is away and making sure you do get hit by 1 fire tether every ice you get hit by,
Spread out followed by stack after 2 puddles drop,
Make sure in correct spots for baiting divebombs or insta wipe,
All of that with other stuff happening that happens before add phase,
While under a harsh dps check sync'd down to lv50.
I'm sorry what alternate dimension did you come from where you think the average player of FFXIV could feasible handle all that and can you take me back with you because no way are the current coil iterations remotely ready to enter the raid roulette.