Dear Paladins

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Originally Posted by kashi11

Yes, people just need to have a little more faith in the community. Better to grow as a community than gimp each other by assuming no one knows what they are doing.

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You know what happens when a tank assumes healers know what they're doing? Wipes. Should always test the waters first to make sure your healer is up to the task, because a lot of them really will focus exclusively on DPS and let their tank drop down low enough that an auto could take them out. Conversely, you also encounter a lot of healers that won't DPS at all; they just spam healing spells, even when you're full.

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

when I need to stack 2 big cd in order to not die, that's a bad healer

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If you are stacking 2 cooldowns together, you're the bad tank.

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Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar

If you are stacking 2 cooldowns together, you're the bad tank.

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Depends on the situation. Rampart + Sheltron = 40% mitigation. Which gives a lot of leeway if sheltron is not needed further for another 30 seconds or so. Remember that anytime the oath gauge is full, any excess is wasted.

Something tells me you are the bad (or at least uninformed) tank...

I didn't think it was possible to contain this much salt in a single thread.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Depends on the situation. Rampart + Sheltron = 40% mitigation. Which gives a lot of leeway if sheltron is not needed further for another 30 seconds or so. Remember that anytime the oath gauge is full, any excess is wasted.

Something tells me you are the bad (or at least uninformed) tank...

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Something tells me you have problems reading.

He said "BIG COOLDOWNS". If you call Sheltron a big cooldown you have other problems besides the reading one.

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Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar

If you are stacking 2 cooldowns together, you're the bad tank.

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Lol not at all. Especially with the emergence of the almost on-demand CDs all Tanks now have (Shelltron, TBN, Heart of Stone, RI), using 2 bigger cds (ex. Rampart + Sentinel) isn't really that big of a deal, and it definitely doesn't make someone a bad Tank. Your criteria for Tank skill seems like it's rubbish my friend.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

Lol not at all. Especially with the emergence of the almost on-demand CDs all Tanks now have (Shelltron, TBN, Heart of Stone, RI), using 2 bigger cds (ex. Rampart + Sentinel) isn't really that big of a deal, and it definitely doesn't make someone a bad Tank. Your criteria for Tank skill seems like it's rubbish my friend.

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Unless you have excellent DPS or you are overgeared, enemies will stay alive more than 10-20 seconds which is the duration of a tank cooldown, if the mitigation falls off the tank and enemies are still alive, it's most likely a wipe. Unless you pull each pack individually then it doesn't matter, but I'm assuming wall to wall pulls.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

It saddens me that things like Benediction is designated as a "dps" tool to be abused to allow more time dpsing, when it's clear that the original intent of the spell is an "oh crap" button when things go sideways and someone is about to die.

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The reason no decent WHM uses Benediction as an "Oh Crap" button is because it's a terrible Oh Crap button.

Due to the long animation and the lag of the spell going off, more often than not your tank is going to be on the floor.

It's much better if you just plan to use it as a regular spell you have and pop it when the tank gets to about 20% or so.

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Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar

Unless you have excellent DPS or you are overgeared, enemies will stay alive more than 10-20 seconds which is the duration of a tank cooldown, if the mitigation falls off the tank and enemies are still alive, it's most likely a wipe. Unless you pull each pack individually then it doesn't matter, but I'm assuming wall to wall pulls.

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I was just about to point out the fact that tanks are now /supposed/ to stack cooldowns to take tankbusters (one short, one long) until I saw this here post talking about what appears to be trash pulls instead. Definitely shouldn't be stacking cooldowns on trash pulls. That /is/ being a bad tank. Best method I've found is to stagger them. GNB, for example, would go Heart of Stone, Camouflage, Heart of Stone, Rampart, Heart of Stone, Nebula, Arm's Length, repeat.

PLD: hp drops to 65%
SCH: Broil
PLD: Clemency, this is why healer dps meta is a cancer on ff14 blah blah
Excog: am I a joke to you?