Give RDM Water and Blizzard already!

Honestly I've been wanting them to add EnWater and EnBlizzard. They way I see them is that EnWater is a ogcd buff that adds a dot effect to your weaponskills. Each hit from your weaponskills adds 15s to the dot for a max of 45s. EnBlizzard add an MP refresh buff to your weaponskills. Each hit adds 5s to the buff for a max of 15s.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Bruh i just want water and ice skills so im for it regardless of mechanics. Was so disapointed that there were none in shb.

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Anything given regardless of its mechanics sounds like pure bloat to me. I'll happily pass on Water and Ice until they do something new to, but cohesive with, the RDM XIV lore, style, and toolkit.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Anything given regardless of its mechanics sounds like pure bloat to me.

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On the other hand, given how bare-bones our mechanics are right now, it isn't that difficult to add another dimension to them.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

On the other hand, given how bare-bones our mechanics are right now, it isn't that difficult to add another dimension to them.

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So painfully true. But that just makes it all the worse to me when suggestions toss in Ice and Water without picking for any of the plethora of avenues for mechanical advancement and instead just offer it as flavor text -- or more of the same long past the point where, to stretch an analogy, another mouthful of sickeningly over-sweet fudge would be at all appetizing. Or, RNG atop RNG atop RNG, to take an example from this thread. At that point they may as well have just become the AoEs themselves, simply name-swapping what we have now. At least then we'd have reason to build into future elemental combos such as through Water->Lightning or Ice->Stone, or, again, any of various other mechanics... (Though, even all that could have been done as easily through just having Scatter be a short cast which would make the next spell deal reduced damage but as an AoE.)

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Honestly I wouldn't be against having Ice and Water as procs like Fire and Stone (I've suggested before having them be Instants we can toss out like our own Thundercloud, or longcast replacements that only get their full value when alternated), I'm just concerned about them being procs solely activated by proc spells, since as you said -- RNG on RNG on RNG. The act of having all six elements as skills in separate role pairings opens up avenues for being able to hold all six elements at once and chaining them for a potential alternative bonus.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Honestly I wouldn't be against having Ice and Water as procs like Fire and Stone (I've suggested before having them be Instants we can toss out like our own Thundercloud, or longcast replacements that only get their full value when alternated), I'm just concerned about them being procs solely activated by proc spells, since as you said -- RNG on RNG on RNG. The act of having all six elements as skills in separate role pairings opens up avenues for being able to hold all six elements at once and chaining them for a potential alternative bonus.

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Honestly, not sure if you've played GNB, they could do a mechanic like it's "Continuation" blade combo. Something simple, that wouldn't mangle player's brains.

A 6-fold Elemental Wheel Rotation, they could call Magic Burst / Magic Link / idk, Magic Chain / Chainspell, too early to think up a name lol.

But it could allow the RDM to press OGCD and like the Continuation GNB Combo, it automatically chains an elemental wheel that instantly casts spells in successful order. *Not Basing this off of the FFXIV Elemental wheel. But here's a rough example XD

Verfire >> Veraero / Verthunder >> Verstone / Verwater >> Verblizzard | That's keeping White [25] / Black [25] mana balanced

And as Shurrikhan said before you:

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So painfully true. But that just makes it all the worse to me when suggestions toss in Ice and Water without picking for any of the plethora of avenues for mechanical advancement and instead just offer it as flavor text -- or more of the same long past the point where, to stretch an analogy, another mouthful of sickeningly over-sweet fudge would be at all appetizing. Or, RNG atop RNG atop RNG, to take an example from this thread. At that point they may as well have just become the AoEs themselves, simply name-swapping what we have now. At least then we'd have reason to build into future elemental combos such as through Water->Lightning or Ice->Stone, or, again, any of various other mechanics... (Though, even all that could have been done as easily through just having Scatter be a short cast which would make the next spell deal reduced damage but as an AoE.)

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The idea of the thread was on how they could potentially tie-in Verwater / Verblizzard in to the RDM's mechanic of Proc's [RNG of course XD] with Verstone / Verfire Ready + and giving their AoE's a counterpart spells more potent (Opposite of Regular rotation) like Proc's. Didn't want to change the White / Black mana meter build too much, as seeing how little RDM changed in SHb I see SE Dev's want to keep it the way it is.

But, if they do introduce Verwater / Verblizzard they could in fact do elemental combos. I'd love to see a shift in RDM's identity in the near future from "Rezmage" to an "Elementalist" that can chain it's Black / White magic with their opposites for grander potencies. It's what I wanted for a DPS Geomancer a while back.

Tbh I think the problem most of us have is they didn’t do enough with RDM

Personally I wanted more melee stuff to arise, I feel like they were just ultra “safe” with their changes to RDM.

But it’s the only job of the entire list which features another roles combat system outside of its set combat role.

It’s a caster with sword attacks.

Why couldn’t they have taken a risk and added some proper changes to the job I don’t know. I would have loved to see

A new mechanic built into the mana system to give us the player more control over its pacing.

New OGCDs featuring ice and water abilities.

More melee abilities.

More abilities outside the mana system.

But I guess what they did was safer then those types of changes.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

Tbh I think the problem most of us have is they didn’t do enough with RDM

Personally I wanted more melee stuff to arise, I feel like they were just ultra “safe” with their changes to RDM.

But it’s the only job of the entire list which features another roles combat system outside of its set combat role.

It’s a caster with sword attacks.

Why couldn’t they have taken a risk and added some proper changes to the job I don’t know. I would have loved to see

A new mechanic built into the mana system to give us the player more control over its pacing.

New OGCDs featuring ice and water abilities.

More melee abilities.

More abilities outside the mana system.

But I guess what they did was safer then those types of changes.

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They definitely played it safe with RDM. Not sure if they ran out of ideas, or they didn't want to overly complicate it, but it was sort of unchanged, and Scorch was pretty much the only new spell learned, not counting AoE's. I know I was highly disappointed that we didn't get a single new elemental spell.

We got enough spells as it is for our rotation, we don't need more. What we need is more potency. Black mages don't get stone/water/wind so unlike FFXI we're not following an elemental wheel where we get to use all 6 elements on one job.

Enspells might be nice though...hmm.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

We got enough spells as it is for our rotation, we don't need more. What we need is more potency. Black mages don't get stone/water/wind so unlike FFXI we're not following an elemental wheel where we get to use all 6 elements on one job.

Enspells might be nice though...hmm.

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I’d love to see an Enspell, Maybe a sword OGCD strike that doesn’t eat up mana but builds it up.

That could be an avenue.

But back to my post, I’d love to see the entire spectrum of elements, not sure if their Jolt / Impact is a combination of White/Black Magic, but having a water spell / blizzard spell would be neat to see. They’ve got 4 elements already why not complete the set of 6.