No TP in Shadowbringer Expectation

I stacked Piety onto DRK once. Kinda disappointed I couldn't put Piety on relic. If I could I could get an extra DA and increase SoSU returns by a small bit. Sad.

Only time I think Piety helped was on BLM to give it 4 Fire 2 casts instead of 3.

But those days are gone now.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I stacked Piety onto DRK once. Kinda disappointed I couldn't put Piety on relic. If I could I could get an extra DA and increase SoSU returns by a small bit. Sad.

Only time I think Piety helped was on BLM to give it 4 Fire 2 casts instead of 3.

But those days are gone now.

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Piety is only good when it's on the gear (so for healers). Melding piety is almost always a bad choice right now.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm a dumbo.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

Speaking of Critical, I wouldn't mind that. It would pair up very well will SCH and BRD (assuming that the parts of their kits that depend on crits remain the same in Shadowbringers).

On the other hand... I could also see it pairing up too well and tightening their stranglehold on party slots even more than in the present meta.

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But, Spear has already been changed to Critical Hit chance...

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The idea is that DRK isn't very good currently, so any rework must be an improvement.
However, DRK isn't as bad as people think. It could do with a rework of Living Dead, and some ergonomic redesigns around Blood Price/Weapon and Grit/Darkside, but besides that, it's all good.

Even Dark Arts isn't that bad anymore. It's pretty simple how it grants a flat 140 potency besides AoEs, so you don't need to use it with everything and it's pretty simple to decide what to use it on based on that skills additional effect.
Single target: C&S (max DPS) > Souleater (for HP) > Syphon Strike (MP neutral 140 potency boost)
AoE: Quietus and Abyssal Drain spam on proc between SE combos.

But if TP is reworked in a way some people have suggested, that weaponskills will have no cost and only AoE attacks will cost MP, then actually, DRK doesn't lose anything, because all of DRK's AoE attacks already cost either MP or Blackblood.

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Fair enough. I was just being salty based on the negative gameplay effects of SB to my mains, with DRK chief among them. I don't mind running DRK for raids; it's just not nearly as fun as it used to be, imo. Honestly, I'd just like to see Grit MP cost halved, the cast changed over to a GCD-triggering, but not GCD-affected, ability, as per Heavensward Empyreal Arrow, and... no, that would quite nearly be enough already. It won't newly make it fun, but it'd reduce the vast majority of my frustrations.

Honestly, I don't even think, if weaponskills were to have MP cost as per the rest of the weaponskill-inclusive jobs, that DRK would be unfairly affected. Just reduce the costs down to Monk level and reduce the MP costs on the basic spells, and while you might inadvertently buff the ease of DRK's AoE MP management or slightly increase their relative MP generation over downtime... that's hardly a problem.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

But, Spear has already been changed to Critical Hit chance...

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OH. Welp nevermind me then, I completely forgot about Spear XD

Well, in that case I have no idea what else the Spire could do. They can't remove it because it's relevant to job quest narrative, but FF14's stats don't leave a lot of room for buffs that aren't already covered. Maybe... something to do with cooldowns? A buff that speeds up recast timers by x% for its duration?

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

OH. Welp nevermind me then, I completely forgot about Spear XD

Well, in that case I have no idea what else the Spire could do. They can't remove it because it's relevant to job quest narrative, but FF14's stats don't leave a lot of room for buffs that aren't already covered. Maybe... something to do with cooldowns? A buff that speeds up recast timers by x% for its duration?

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So... that's the old Spear.

And its main issue was that it would desync cooldowns. It would need to increase Cooling Rate by x%, rather than decrease Recast Timers by x% to work in a manner that would function without desyncing one's cooldowns from each other. (Of course, it would still have huge variance in value -- nearly throughput-worthless to BLM and SAM -- and accelerated cooldowns would still be desynced from raid (de)buffs, which remains problematic unless every Spear is Expanded.

Spire could reduce/negate MP cost, increase direct hit rate, increase attack range/negate positional requirement, cast on self to convert healing spell to damaging spell, cast debuff on enemy target, etc.

Spire could add lifesteal effect to target(s) attacks.

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Originally Posted by linay

Spire could reduce/negate MP cost, increase direct hit rate, increase attack range/negate positional requirement, cast on self to convert healing spell to damaging spell, cast debuff on enemy target, etc.

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Direct hit: Useless for healers, so not universal
Range/positionals: not utilised by every class
Healing to damage: Only useful for healers
Debuff: ... possibly?
Negate MP costs... actually yeah, given that everyone will use MP now, this is actually very likely.