All Class/Job Glamour Request Thread

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Originally Posted by Schan

I believe OP wanted requests to turn "popular" gear into lvl 1 glam sets. People have just twisted this into another "lift all class restrictions" thread again. :(

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Well it would solve the problem handedly... and outside of AF gear what's the point of restricting the looks? So they can go in and create brand-new lvl. 1 copied assets one at a time a few times year, adding even more bloat? More gear comes out to request than they could ever hope to "unlock" the look of at this rate.

If the goal is to make players happy by unlocking gearsets for them, the most elegant and time-efficient method in the long-run really might be lifting the class restrictions.

I disagree and I invite you to think about that "solution" of yours.

If everyone can wear everything and anything what kind of drawbacks can you think of?

Edit: you people also have a thread asking for the lift of class restrictions on gear. Not cool that you are hijacking other threads. Not cool.

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Originally Posted by Schan

I disagree and I invite you to think about that "solution" of yours.

If everyone can wear everything and anything what kind of drawbacks can you think of?

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The only drawback I can think of is that we might hurt someone's feelings when I come into an instance wearing... the Amon hat... ON MY BLACK MAGE!!!! Oh no!!!!

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

The only drawback I can think of is that we might hurt someone's feelings when I come into an instance wearing... the Amon hat... ON MY BLACK MAGE!!!! Oh no!!!!

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Actually no. Despite that most people are saying that all restrictions should be lifted with the exception of AF, if all restrictions are lifted then the next demand will be to also lift the restrictions from AF. That is how we got to where we are at now. Certain previous restrictions are no longer present, but it wasn't enough.

I will say it as many times as it needs to be said: Give an inch, take a mile. I would actually reinforce the glamour system if I was SE. "Say what? You think it is BS that restrictions are in place, but you can tank in a bikini? Fine, now no one can tank in a bikini, or a pig suit, or santa glamour. I would actually make it so tanks MUST look like tanks, and healers MUST look like healers. What do you think about that?"

Trust me y'all, I love the glamour system more than any other system in this game. But this is one of few games where you can level everything on a single character, and I find having to level another job to obtain the look you want an awesome incentive. You can argue that after getting to that level and obtaining the gear it should be a free for all, but I disagree. As an example, the game already lacks tanks. So what on the planet would even whisper to me that it is a good idea to allow DPS or healers to look like tanks when they are not playing one? If anything, I would make DPS exclusive gear the free for all but I am against this as well. If you want to wear DPS gear or glamours, you need to play a DPS job. That is my mindset, and the same goes for tanks and healers.

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Originally Posted by Schan

Edit: you people also have a thread asking for the lift of class restrictions on gear. Not cool that you are hijacking other threads. Not cool.

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Stuff like that happens all the time here.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

The only drawback I can think of is that we might hurt someone's feelings when I come into an instance wearing... the Amon hat... ON MY BLACK MAGE!!!! Oh no!!!!

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Really? That's it?

Look, I'm the absolutely worst person when it comes to try and taking sides. I sit down and think "if this were to happen what would be the most amazing things that can come out of it?" and I imagine all the awesome things than can come out of it. Then i think "what would be the most catastrophic things that can come out of this?" and I imagine all the bad stuff that can come out of it. I know I'm just one brain and I can't possibly cover all the options. Then I weight my personal feelings towards the pros and cons. More often than not i'm neutral towards things.

On this subject however I lean towards the disagreeing with unlocking the class restrictions.

I'm somewhat saddened that the "catastrophic" drawback you can come up with is "people will be offended". Granted that can be quite severe if it escalates into Harassment. Now take a step back. Who deals with Harassment claims? the GMs. If everyone were to start getting offended to the point the harassment increased in a noticeable way? Take another step back. How long till devs realize? how long until SE to take a stance on it if at all? would they hire more GMs? That means more expenses. Investors don't like expenses... who would suffer then? The playerbase.

Would the fact you get more freedom to express yourself weight more over random people or even yourself get harassed over it?

My brain works in strange ways and my hands are too frozen to keep going not to mention that this is too long winded already. I hope you somewhat understand my thought process on this. I will eventually explain which "catastrophic" drawback is making me lean against the removal of class restrictions if people still wish to understand.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

In the first paragraph you say, "Yoshi-P and devs" think that jobs should resemble certain stereotypes." In the second paragraph, you then go on to say "Tanks are free not to resemble their stereotype." So, everyone has to look like their chosen job, EXCEPT for a lucky subset of the players? That hardly seems fair.

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I've read over it a few times but I can't see where Arrius said that "tanks are free not to resemble their stereotype". But in any case, that is a fact for the game as it currently exists.

Aside of pure glamour sets, tanks are free to go outside their designated armour because of the way ARR equipment is classed. Tank gear is for tanks only. DPS gear is for Disciples of War only. Mage gear is all classes.

Thus, you can glamour your tank to look like a mage, but not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It would be far easier and satisfy more players just to comment out the bit of code that asks, "Is current job/class in the list that can wear this armor?" and replace it with a universal "Yes". It should be just that easy, unless there's some ridiculous spaghetti code involved. I suspect, though, that the main reason why they haven't done this is because of Artifact Armor. The devs may actually be okay with a healer dressing as a tank, but they're LESS okay with the idea of a White Mage dressing as a Paladin. It is understandable that they'd want to reserve the iconic equipment each job has for that job alone - and it's a lot more difficult to leave some exceptions than it is to just unlock everything.

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I think there's a two-layer issue with unlocking glamours (and probably it does come back to spaghetti code preventing them from making exceptions to a blanket rule).

1. They want to prevent role A from being able to equip gear intended for role B. Have you ever tried leveling a tank through ARR while you have gear for other classes in your inventory? It wreaks havoc with the "recommended gear" button because tanks can equip everything, and the recommendation only seems to look at gear level. It can and will put your tank in mages' robes - or your healer in crafting gear.

The more restricted "who can equip what" rules since post-ARR have helped with that a lot, at the cost of also restricting glamour choice (because of glamour being tied to whether you can equip the gear). Which brings me to point 2...

2. (I suspect) glamour restrictions cannot be selectively lifted and the rule that you are limited to items you can equip is "all or nothing". I suspect they cannot set it to "glamour everything" but make an exception that prevents certain items (ie. relic gear) from being used - and they consider keeping the relic gear locked as more important than freeing up the glamour system for everything else.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

2. (I suspect) glamour restrictions cannot be selectively lifted and the rule that you are limited to items you can equip is "all or nothing". I suspect they cannot set it to "glamour everything" but make an exception that prevents certain items (ie. relic gear) from being used - and they consider keeping the relic gear locked as more important than freeing up the glamour system for everything else.

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They can be lifted. You're not actually equipping the item. You're just changing the looks. But the name, stats etc are all based on the actual item you can equip. This is why in the fitting room, you can mix all types of armor without an issue. If modders can do it easily, this should be a piece of cake for SE.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Actually no. Despite that most people are saying that all restrictions should be lifted with the exception of AF, if all restrictions are lifted then the next demand will be to also lift the restrictions from AF. That is how we got to where we are at now. Certain previous restrictions are no longer present, but it wasn't enough.
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Slippery slope fallacies are hardly convincing.

Making tank pieces available to glam would not make people stop playing tank, especially if the glam restriction was that you had to be the appropriate level of job to use the piece (i.e. if you wanted to use Rakshasa tank gloves, you had to be a lvl 70 tank).

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Originally Posted by Schan

Really? That's it?

Look, I'm the absolutely worst person when it comes to try and taking sides. I sit down and think "if this were to happen what would be the most amazing things that can come out of it?" and I imagine all the awesome things than can come out of it. Then i think "what would be the most catastrophic things that can come out of this?" and I imagine all the bad stuff that can come out of it. I know I'm just one brain and I can't possibly cover all the options. Then I weight my personal feelings towards the pros and cons. More often than not i'm neutral towards things.

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My brain works in strange ways and my hands are too frozen to keep going not to mention that this is too long winded already. I hope you somewhat understand my thought process on this. I will eventually explain which "catastrophic" drawback is making me lean against the removal of class restrictions if people still wish to understand.

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Prepare for me being long-winded now! I hope that it's semi-easy to read since I just woke up and all.

I am not sure if the harassment thing is really what you think or not. If so, you do not need to worry because no one would get upset if someone decided to glam the aforementioned Amon hat onto a class that wasn't BRD.

But, since you have a lot of reasons why it shouldn't be unlocked, I will give you literally every point I can think of.

1. Lore. The only pieces of gear that have any lore significance are the AF. I can understand and would support keeping AF locked, because there is a reason to. Other than that, there is nothing. The only piece that jumps to mind is some of the Crystal Tower Scylla stuff, but even that is immediately shattered when (hello again) the Amon gear comes into play. Amon was not a BRD, he was a magician. So, why can BLM and SMN not wear it?

2. Style. People want tanks to look like tanks and healers to look like healers. First off, we are playing Final Fantasy.
Second, there is growing to be enough jobs that thematically they do not even share the same style. The most egregious one currently is RDM vs BLM/SMN. Style wise, RDM looks absolutely awful and makes no sense in so many of these casting tops. Too long. Designed for a class that doesn't charge in and do backflips. You know what they do look nice in? Scouting and Aiming gear.
What is going to happen if the add DNC to the healer list? There is no way in fresh heck that a DNC would ever fit in thematically with anything in the healer gear arsenal. What if they ever make a caster tank? They could easily solve this by making DNC use DEX as their healing stat and shove them into the scouting gear, or make the caster tank use currently existing caster gear, but now they are facing the problem that the current casters have.
Third, they break their own style rules and put in restrictions that make no sense.

https://i.imgur.com/pPTMYvB.png
Why is this healer outfit okay?
https://i.imgur.com/uDcfjPX.png
And this one not?

The bottom one is far more thematic than the top, but yet it's the one that is restricted.

https://i.imgur.com/WlIfYO4.png
Why are these gloves okay?
https://i.imgur.com/hXZzcBv.png
But these banned?

They are not intrinsically different, but we are not allowed to use them because "NIN gear would look silly on MNK". In reality, no... the majority of gear would not.

3. Clipping. Wah. Everything clips. Next.

4. Harassment?? I question mark this because I think it's not a real point? Possibly? Nothing should be restricted because of potential or perceived harassment unless it is directly harmful (i.e. chat restrictions are dumb - restrictions on new members withdrawing FC funds is not).

5. Taste. This is Yoshi-P's argument and it is so weak it fell through the moment it was spoken. This seems to be the go-to argument for most people against it and well... it's bad.
Taste is subjective, and your taste is not law or even a good opinion. I personally cannot stand fem Au Ra at all. I wouldn't shed a single tear if they came in tomorrow and said they were deleting them, but I would never ask SE to not allow people to play them due to my personal taste because I know people love them. There is nothing really wrong with them, they just don't jive with me. Likewise, I expect people to extend the same courtesy to my choices. Which they don't. Queue another 'hee elezen r ugli XD' thread.

6. Technical issues. Knowing SE, this is more than likely the culprit. If they had coded their glamour system properly, unlocking things would be as simple as making the switch from FALSE to TRUE.
Not an excuse in my book, considering that hefty AAA title they carry.

Now for good things...

1. It would increase the number of people running content. Yes, I know I would hop right back into Saint Mocianne's for some farming if I knew that I could use the Coat of the Red Thief on my casters. I would start those Alex and Sigmascape farms for all the glam in the world. As it currently stands now, I hate MNK and SAM. But I like MNK and SAM gear. Does not mean I will farm for it, because I won't. That's one less healer/tank (I swap) in the queues.

2. Creativity. It would allow some awesome glams that are currently unable to be used. What is better than seeing more variety in clothing around Eorzea? More gear means less homogenization and in a world of cat and lizard waifus, that's a bonus.

3. It takes absolutely nothing away from those who want to be more traditional. I am in the same boat where I want my tanks to only wear heavy armour. That's my choice. I like that style, but neither do I get irritated when I see a bikini tank. That's their choice on their character, not mine.
If you want your WHM to only ever wear white robes, you can still do that! You can still be a purist, you don't have to put Amon's hat on your BLM. You are happy because you still have your choice, and now someone else is happy they get their choice.

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Sorry if it came off as slightly aggressive towards you Schan, I tend to have that tone with everything I write.

I am genuinely curious to what you think is the catastrophic drawback, because I literally cannot think of one that has any weight except for the hurt feelings of those who want people to dress the way they like it.

my biggest want atm is the wolfliege/lord boots to be caster instead of blm only, theres a few other pieces i want but thats the main one