LOLSE, We're not wearing 270 STR to hold hate, c'mon now...

Am I misreading or misunderstanding the "HP inflation as a valid reason to not make VIT the damage modifying stat" argument?

"Equipping the only gear your job has available at this level may cause HP inflation, so we're not going to make your primary stat influence your weapon damage"?

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Originally Posted by Dseaver

Still a better love story than parry

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As a DRK, I disagree. I'm guessing the removal of parry also came at the cost of removing dark dance, reprisal and low blow procs. Serious question, why was parry such a shit stat? Did it scale horribly and was low on the list of defensive checks?

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Originally Posted by Faytte

And people wonder why no one in FFXIV likes to play tanks? WoW has done loads wrong but this isn't one of them.

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Tank balance is very different in WoW, though. Tank damage is a means to an end there (because damage dealt = aggro generated) instead of the penis-measuring contest it is here (as proven through all of last expansion and the resistance I've seen to the changes to tanks since SB launched). Tank gear also had more than just damage stats, since pre-WoD you had to balance other stats like Block Rating, Dodge Rating, and Expertise. So while gear had no class restrictions, no fury warrior/ret pally/frost DK in their right mind would get within 50 feet of a strength belt that also had Expertise or Block Rating because they'd be losing out on Haste rating or Crit.

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Add strength to fending gear, simple fix. Doesnt need to be 1:1 with dps accessories either, most of us would be fine with 80%.

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Assuming you want to give tanks very controlled amounts of STR, I'd say 60% is a safer number.

Tank here @.@ wearing vit has no issue here just need to do more enmity combo if our dps is low it's fine because the fight is designed for tank wearing vit so the dps requirement won't be so high

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

Tank here @.@ wearing vit has no issue here just need to do more enmity combo if our dps is low it's fine because the fight is designed for tank wearing vit so the dps requirement won't be so high

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Low dps checks sounds like a terrible gateway to solo tank content or sac techniques which all sounds horrendously boring in my book.

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Originally Posted by Cair

Am I misreading or misunderstanding the "HP inflation as a valid reason to not make VIT the damage modifying stat" argument?

"Equipping the only gear your job has available at this level may cause HP inflation, so we're not going to make your primary stat influence your weapon damage"?

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Move slowly away until you are at a safe distance, then run RUN FOR YOUR LIFE AND SANITY!

Re-reading the HP inflation thing actually gives me a bit of hope. This is how I interpreted it: they are looking at giving tanks scaled damage from accessories, but the 3.x formula may not have SB accessories give enough without inflating the amount of vit which would inflate the amount of HP we have further. I guess having a stat be tied to both HP and Attack Power can be a bit tricky to balance, though I am not sure why they couldn't just adjust the scaling. Then again, maybe they just want a bit more control and not have to worry about damage scaling and HP scaling in one stat.

This is what I am hoping what Yoshi P means. It is a bit of an optimistic view (which is honestly a bit out of character for me; I am usually more of a pessimist), but I feel like some meaning was lost in translating from Japanese to English.

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Originally Posted by Cevoh

Low dps checks sounds like a terrible gateway to solo tank content or sac techniques which all sounds horrendously boring in my book.

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if they designed tank to wear vit then the requirement for tank dps is limited so the overall dps check will be lower then of a tank wearing str it is only simple balancing, if they allow tank to go back to the vit+str formula they will have to increase the hp of the boss so over all the issue is not solved your numbers are noting

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

if they designed tank to wear vit then the requirement for tank dps is limited so the overall dps check will be lower then of a tank wearing str it is only simple balancing, if they allow tank to go back to the vit+str formula they will have to increase the hp of the boss so over all the issue is not solved your numbers are noting

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Actually, they stated before that they don't take into account Tank or Healer DPS when designing DPS checks. So unless they changed this, Tanks doing more damage wouldn't really affect the necessary DPS needed to meet checks.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Like i said, fluidity of the job itself, emnity issues, inability to perform role functions. If the job is no longer "fun" that is an issue. if the job is no longer "fun" because "mah deeps" I dont see that as a valid concern. I'm not saying WAR doesn't have issues right now, I'm saying DPS shouldn't be the issue everyone is complaining about, and that is why STR accessories is silly.

The whole Tank only runs of Savage is where the mechanics of the jobs broke the game. No other role can do this, especially while a tier is still "current".

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I don't think any Tanks here seriously want to sit and listen to someone who hasn't even Tanked in Stormblood act like they're somehow an expert on the state of 4.0 Tanking.

You may have mained PLD throughout HW as you said in your other post below. But if you haven't Tanked in 4.0 and are currently a melee DPS main you have no right to speak of the state of Tanking.