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To be fair, we had a huge issue in ffxi with jp players taking na players with them on boss runs and then booting them before loot would drop, which is one of the reasons you cannot kick someone when something is in the loot pool here. NA players didn't have that much of an issue with since reputations spread quickly among the NA playerbase. One guy on our server couldn't even get people to lvl with him his rep was so bad. Not to mention the "English? No thanks" problems.

So stating that JP players are just overall better is not really that true. people everywhere are jerks, it just depends on who you encounter and your own bias that allows you to see one as being superior to the other.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Your previous posts were very much semantics, and you are aware demanding statistics from me doesn't make me any less right either?

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If you can't prove a statement is "true" or "false" then naturally it would be "not proven" so it does make your statement "less" right. Although...less right sounds weird. I would say it makes your statement incorrect until proven otherwise, and you've yet to prove otherwise when asked (because you actually have no way to prove it).

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

By the same token, should you not be providing proof that my claims are false before making such a statement? Statistics? Research?

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I am not the one claiming one region is better than the other. You are.

My claim is: no one can claim one region is better since none of us have all the information needed to claim that.

In simple terms: all regions are neutral because there is no factual statistical proof one is better than another.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

This might have more credit had you not been hounding my previous posts in a dogged attempt to prove yourself right when I've already expressed I do not care.

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This might have more credit had you stopped responding to me...you know if you don't care then why are you replying to me still?

PS. I'm not hounding you. If you don't want people to reply to things you say then don't say them in a public forum :/

So if someone decides to be antagonistic and troll the group, we should have to abandon the dungeon and give up our current progress rather than just kick them and replace them with someone who is more cooperative? No thanks.

How vote kick can be unfair/abused (real story):
- Running The Aery using lvling roulette as a WAR ilvl125
- Ran all dungeon until last boss without any death or problems just reeeeally slow AF (nobody says a word until that moment)
- We die first time because dps dont manage to kill the purple circle that lifts off and kills a player... second time during Nidhogg add phase
- Healer starts saying tank is undergeared that's why we're dying during ADD PHASE
- I turn on ACT and parser and don't say a word because who cares let's just kill this boss
- I realize that both DPS are doing same damage as my WAR... in tank stance... healer is doing 0.0 dps
- We die again
- Running again to face boss I realize I get vote kicked

So in the end about an hour lost for almost no xp and got kicked for unfair reasons. Learned that I'm too naive and a 'good guy' trying to give the other players an opportunity, next time is vote kick first 5 mins someone sucks.

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Originally Posted by Miste

If you can't prove a statement is...

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...what utter nonsense. So every as of yet unproven scientific theory is wrong, in your eyes?

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I am not the one claiming one region is better than the other. You are.

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You're claiming I am wrong based on a lack of statistical evidence. If statistical evidence is all that matters in proving something right, where is your evidence that my claims are false? You have none. Ergo, by the same logic, you are also wrong.

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This might have more credit had you stopped responding to me...you know if you don't care then why are you replying to me still?

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Because of your insistence that I do so?

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Originally Posted by Kaltostate

How vote kick can be unfair/abused (real story):
- Running The Aery using lvling roulette as a WAR ilvl125
- Ran all dungeon until last boss without any death or problems just reeeeally slow AF (nobody says a word until that moment)
- We die first time because dps dont manage to kill the purple circle that lifts off and kills a player... second time during Nidhogg add phase
- Healer starts saying tank is undergeared that's why we're dying during ADD PHASE
- I turn on ACT and parser and don't say a word because who cares let's just kill this boss
- I realize that both DPS are doing same damage as my WAR... in tank stance... healer is doing 0.0 dps
- We die again
- Running again to face boss I realize I get vote kicked

So in the end about an hour lost for almost no xp and got kicked for unfair reasons. Learned that I'm too naive and a 'good guy' trying to give the other players an opportunity, next time is vote kick first 5 mins someone sucks.

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I think where you went wrong was not saying anything. You can't say anything that would explicitly indicate you're parsing, but simply tell the healer to help break the DPS out of Sable Orb and say the adds are dying too slow and ask the DPS to pick it up. You don't need to be rude about it, but in not saying anything, they probably just accepted what the healer said without question.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

...what utter nonsense. So every as of yet unproven scientific theory is wrong, in your eyes?

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Unproven scientific theory is just.... unproven scientific theory. Why would I think it "wrong" when it is "unproven"?

It is unproven until someone proves or disproves it. You know the definition of "theory" right?

Do you believe everything someone says or writes with no proof then??

I mean I could write up a theory saying that 20 billion light years away in the universe there is a bubble of space-time that is a replica of our Milky Way galaxy that is actually time distorted and the replica of Earth in that space-time bubble is younger and only at like 300 A.D. and is following an alternate reality to our Earth.

Am I correct??? Should people blindly believe me?? Or is it simply a theory that is unproven since no one can prove it true or false?

Only SE can attempt to prove your claim because only they actually have full access to their game/servers/community; so its the same problem where it can't be proven by just me or you and I don't think SE would bother with such a thing either.

I mean I don't get it, you are actually saying you believe everything you hear?

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

You're claiming I am wrong based on a lack of statistical evidence. If statistical evidence is all that matters in proving something right, where is your evidence that my claims are false? You have none. Ergo, by the same logic, you are also wrong.

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It's not about being right or wrong like you keep latching onto. I am saying you can't make the the claims you are making because you have no proof to back it up. There is no way to prove it so you can't claim it. That is the last time I am going to tell you this.

If no one can prove that one region is better or worse than another that means you can't make the claim you made. Just as I couldn't claim NA/EU data centers is better than JP data centers...I can't prove it so why would I say it? For the last time, my stance is no one can say one way or another. The data centers are neutral until proven otherwise by real statistics.

You keep trying to turn this around on me, but simple fact is you still haven't provided the proof to your initial claim.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Because of your insistence that I do so?

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How can I force you to reply? If you don't care then this would have ended 3 posts ago because if you truly didn't care you wouldn't bother replying even if I reply to you.

Dear god, go outside and pet a dog or something.

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Originally Posted by Miste

idek what this is

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I used it as an example of why your "wrong until proven right" argument was flawed, it wasn't an invitation to go on another warbling tangent.

To answer the your question, I believe my own experiences and those of the people around me. In general I'm not pig-headed enough to refuse general fact and then hide behind a petty reason for it.

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It's not about being right or wrong like you keep latching onto

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Well, it is, since you seem very, very desperate to prove me wrong yet lack any evidence to do so - something you're condemning me for. See the problem?

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You keep trying to turn this around on me

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The projection is strong in this one.

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How can I force you to reply? If you don't care then this would have ended 3 posts ago because if you truly didn't care you wouldn't bother replying even if I reply to you.

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Yes, clearly, this is not a matter of pride at all. Completely objective and unemotional reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

I used it as an example of why your "wrong until proven right" argument was flawed, it wasn't an invitation to go on another warbling tangent.

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You didn't read my post because this isn't what I said :)

You're still stuck on this "wrong" or "right" thing even though I've told you multiple times.

I said it is "not proven" so therefore claiming it as true is pointless since you can't prove it. It serves no purpose except to be rude to a specific region of players.

Also kind of hypocritical to claim I went on a tangent; if you recall you were the one who brought up scientific theories.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

To answer the your question, I believe my own experiences and those of the people around me. In general I'm not pig-headed enough to refuse general fact and then hide behind a petty reason for it.

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It's fine to believe it for yourself if you want, but you came in here and tried to pass your opinion off as fact when it isn't. So I asked you to prove it and you still haven't btw.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Well, it is, since you seem very, very desperate to prove me wrong yet lack any evidence to do so - something you're condemning me for. See the problem?

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You didn't read my post or didn't understand it; one or both idk :)

Still stuck on that "wrong" thing...

This is a horrible idea. Lets not get rid of one person, lets make sure no one can finish the duty.