By pity Square Enix, redesign Garuda-Egi

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Chop chop

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I agree, simply doing a retcon of things isn't great. And the lore in this game is also great, and of course very important... however, when they write in excuses for things as lore reasons, then it isn't great, and writing an active block into what could be further developments is also not good.

Self-imposed reasons for limiting Egi's, is something they didn't need to have put in. But now it's here, I guess the best course of action, should they ever add new Egi's is to, like you said, add reasons that you can now do something you couldn't before.

My point really was when replying to you was, people shouldn't yap up all of this lore stuff when some of it is absurd or in some cases (PvP) an actual detriment.

Flying cat vomit is beautiful, though

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

How can we use PS3/low-end PC limitations as an excuse for not getting new Egis, Egi glamours, or better looking Egis? Look at the summons on FFXI. They look exactly like their primal/eikon counterpart and they follow you around. Didn't matter if there were a bajillion summoners around with their summons out. No one's PS2 exploded. ( ~.ø)b

Just some examples....

http://i57.tinypic.com/2qizmyv.jpg

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/fi..._060703_01.jpg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20060922075035

http://zam.zamimg.com/ffxi/i/images/mobs/Diabolos-S.jpg

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I have never played FFXI at all, so I had no real problem with our egis until I read this post. What the *hell*, SE? A game that could run on the PS2 has both more summons AND better looking ones? REALLY? It wasn't a big deal, but I WAS disappointed the first time I did my Summoner lv30 quest and realized I wasn't a classic FF summoner. But I thought oh well and moved on. But knowing that the mmo before this one you COULD do that...bluuuuuh.

and u guys dont want to see the animations.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBxRZ6_ZnE

the astral flow (2h) were cool as hell , i loved the garuda one , u dont really appreciate it in that video it was a really big aero explosion

https://laurinffxi.files.wordpress.c...04/fenrir1.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...FXI/158750.jpg

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200407/17...7259_31045.jpg

LOL! I found this:

http://i.imgur.com/d0Fqk7p.jpg

dont forget FFXV summons LOL

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y_0OCZC8TVY/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...FXI/158750.jpg

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Oh god. That's just obnoxiously huge. I wouldn't want a summoner around at all in a raid.

"Why didn't you move out of that AoE?"

"I didn't even see it because the summoner's giant-ass robot was humping my leg."

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

LOL! I found this:

http://i.imgur.com/d0Fqk7p.jpg

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And completely irrelevant. Summoner in XIV never claimed to be the Summoners from the rest of the series. Summoners from the rest of the series meaning: White Mages/Black Mages with worthless espers/eidolons/aeons/summons/guardian forces tacked on for story purposes.

VII: Knights of the Round is the only viable Summon.

VII: GFs exist for junction. Outclassed by everything else.

XII: You use the very first one you obtain once to open a door.

XIII: Vanille Death Trick for early Trapezohedrons.

III, V and Tactics are the only outliers where summoning is the primary focus of the summoner character, but summoners aren't considered good jobs in any of those games.

They all look rubbish. They spoke of a glamour system for egi's but I doubt it will ever happen.