Mentor System: Increase Commendations to 500

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

It seems to be more geared towards teaching dungeon basics and party roles, not individual job/class/skill teaching. Just because someone has whm to 60 doesn't mean they're going to know about sch, but they can teach someone not to cast while tank is pulling, how to prepare for tankbusters, aoe dmg, which is good. But we'll still get blms that can't figure out their rotation or bards that don't keep straight shot up.

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I'm pretty sure the mentor system isn't meant to teach new players their "optimal rotation". That's what you practice at end-game to reach your optimal damage output, it's like the last page in the book. We're talking about new players here, sticking to dungeon basics 101 and job/role basics will help out way more.

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Originally Posted by Callback

So clearing 1k instances with 300 comms by tanking lets you know how to do DRG rotations... how?

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I'll bet my socks that anyone who's been through 1000 duties knows a thing or two more than those who haven't.

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

Exactly. It seems to be more geared towards teaching dungeon basics and party roles, not individual job/class/skill teaching. Just because someone has whm to 60 doesn't mean they're going to know about sch, but they can teach someone not to cast while tank is pulling, how to prepare for tankbusters, aoe dmg, which is good. But we'll still get blms that can't figure out their rotation or bards that don't keep straight shot up.

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Exactly, which goes straight back to my original point. Commends are a bad metric and don't measure aptitude in any way. Nor does run count (my "Duty finder" comment was mostly a joke on those people you see in there who make you question whether a toddler managed to get onto someone's account while they were AFK, since it shouldn't be possible for someone who has played as long as them with their class that high to be that bad at it). I support more rigorous testing for mentors, not just a random grind.

I'm sorry if I missed this, but I was wondering if new players "sign up" for the mentor system or if it is just a different name for a secondary Low-level Roueltte with different bonuses? Whenever I get paired with new people who are doing things that aren't exactly ideal, I shy away from correcting them or trying to help them along in case they're the type of person who will get defensive about it and think I am trying to police the way they play.

I think commends are stupid anyways. A dps can afk in a dungeon while spamming 1 skill and get 3+ commends. I can do my rotation perfectly as any class and still get nothing. Most people just commend who has the boobs or coolest looking character. Some people only commend tank if they're playing healer as well. Or worse commend nobody and not even say anything at all the whole run. You should be able to commend everyone that does well and maybe get a reward for taking the time to do so.

I feel like they should make it harder to be a mentor. Remove commends completely. Maybe require a few hundred High level duties completed or clearing of the hardest raid tier available. It would be horrid if bad players taught new players to be just as bad.. Not that everyone that doesnt raid is bad or anything. I know there are good players that dont raid also.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I think commends are stupid anyways. A dps can afk in a dungeon while spamming 1 skill and get 3+ commends. I can do my rotation perfectly as any class and still get nothing.

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Indeed, it would be great if we had official support for some tool which helps us gauge the performance of our teammates. If only

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I think commends are stupid anyways. A dps can afk in a dungeon while spamming 1 skill and get 3+ commends. I can do my rotation perfectly as any class and still get nothing.

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I would argue that commendations are far from stupid, as they show how well you get along with others. If you go through a duty playing your job flawlessly, but remaining completely silent, chances are the other players probably won't notice you. But if you try communicating (ie. Saying hello/goodbye, casual banter, explanations) on top of playing your job well, your chances of recieving commendations are considerably higher. My point is that you'd be surprised what acting like a decent human being can do for you in a social setting. I get commendations very often regardless of what job I play, and I like to think it's because I'm doing my best at being a teamplayer.

I'm in favor of some kind of harder test to overcome in order to achieve mentor status on top of all this though.

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Originally Posted by Torunya

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See, the thing is, I actually do try to be friendly and sometimes it works. The problem is that the people can choose to ignore the commends all together and just leave without taking 2 seconds to commend you or your party members even if you did good. There is also nothing forcing the people to commend the guy who deserves it. Just the other day i joined an in progress for my wife who needed a tank and guess who she commended reguardless of how well he played just because he is her husband. >.>

TL;DR commends are great if everyone in game uses them the way they were ment to be used and does not ignore them due to lack of f@#ks givin'. lol

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Originally Posted by Torunya

I would argue that commendations are far from stupid, as they show how well you get along with others. If you go through a duty playing your job flawlessly, but remaining completely silent, chances are the other players probably won't notice you. But if you try communicating (ie. Saying hello/goodbye, casual banter, explanations) on top of playing your job well, your chances of recieving commendations are considerably higher. My point is that you'd be surprised what acting like a decent human being can do for you in a social setting. I get commendations very often regardless of what job I play, and I like to think it's because I'm doing my best at being a teamplayer..

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Your market may vary.

My experiences are opposite. Recently, I usually receive 1+ commendations in every run that I do. However, I am much less likely to receive a commendation when I spend time explaining fights to new players. "Hey, I'm new" "Hey, welcome! I'll explain the boss fights".. we approach boss 1 "For this boss..." etc etc.. end of dungeon 0 commendations. Queue next dungeon, say "Hi"... 20 minutes later "Thanks" You receive 2 commendations!

To clarify, this isn't just 1 experience, but my experience over thousands (hundreds? I have no idea how many dungeons I've completed lol) of dungeon runs.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

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There will always be cases like that, and I admit I am guilty of the same. But I still think it's better to have a commendation system over nothing. Could it be improved? Of course it could. In your case though I'd think you would get the commendation regardless of your wife being a member of the party. Any tank that hops into in-progress duties is worth a commendation in my book any day.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Your market may vary.

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No one run is hardly ever the same, this is a given. I both understand and agree with what you're saying. I would assume that some newer players would forget that you even can award commendations. Shit does indeed happen.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

still 500 minutes D: Not anyone can bear the pain of those types of grind xD

1 min Westwind runs, zeta farm. Never forget

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see i havent even done any of that lol

all my runs are of, like, amdapor keep and lowbie dungeons >.<