BRDs not using WM -_-

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Originally Posted by Shirobi

"This is very counter productive no dungeon should take 45mins cause you choose to play selfishly.."

No one should feel they have the right to tell another person how to play in a game the other person is paying for. THAT is selfishness.


This spin doctored version that was created by the elitist of ffxi needed to die with ffxi.

TL;DR Dont tell me how to play. Leave or kick me from the group. But be ready to deal with a GM after I report you for kicking me for a non-supported reason.

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Also if you are going to try and use the trite excuse of "i pay my sub for this" think about this, its 3 people paying sub vs 1, you gimp your performance deliberately, then you get kicked.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

WM is a dps loss if you only do heavy and straight shots, and you break even give or take if you use it at soon as you get it at 52. You need empyreal arrow to see a net gain in damage on single target. All Iron jaws realistically does is make you more TP efficient. It;s a definite increase with AoE though, and it's hard to quanitify BL/RoD into WM's damage due to the oGCD clipping where you're more likely to miss an entire oGCD reset.

Outside of that, player skill shouldn't play any role in looking at a skill, the 30% boost does not nessesacrly outweigh the loss of auto attacks unless you have stronger/more oGCDs to make up for it (which agian, its hard to quantify the likes of Bloodletter/RoD because of the oGCD clipping with cast times)

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this. you will frequently find brief periods of time where you will only be using heavy shot and straight shot, mostly. if you can toggle WM through-out encounters efficiently enough, you will be able to increase your DPS.

well if your ping is 200+ don't play a proc class like brd cause even if in wm your dps will be shocking cause you have a 2 second delay on you procs and brd now is purely proc based especially in WM caster mode.

The last time i said a player he should improve his rotation, i was kicked. Now i kick others players who undeperform. A player doing 1k dps and other 400dps with similar gear is not valid.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

Also if you are going to try and use the trite excuse of "i pay my sub for this" think about this, its 3 people paying sub vs 1, you gimp your performance deliberately, then you get kicked.

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SE doesnt see it that way, however.

Please refrain from encouraging others to break the ToS by abusing the vote kick function. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Shirobi

SE doesnt see it that way, however.

Please refrain from encouraging others to break the ToS by abusing the vote kick function. ^^;

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I am not. Please refrain from absolutely ridiculous public accusation like this that are entirely untrue and unfounded.

Difference in playstyle is a legitimate reason to kick people as far as i am aware. If someone is deliberately gimping their performance to the detriment of the group it can be classed as either difference in playstyle or even harassment.

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Originally Posted by Shirobi

SE doesnt see it that way, however.

Please refrain from encouraging others to break the ToS by abusing the vote kick function ^^;

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It;s not abusing the ToS if we're kicking someone for a playstyle difference, specifically someone that deliberately plays poorly and slows the party down (and I'm talking by degrees of 40+ minute clears when a dungeon should otherwise take 30 on average, 40 with wipes)

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Originally Posted by Shirobi

SE doesnt see it that way, however.

Please refrain from encouraging others to break the ToS by abusing the vote kick function. ^^;

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...28#post2358628

The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples. Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function.

As for kicking bards for intentionally gimping their damage? That's just plain stupid. A bard not using WM because they feel the dps boost isn't worth the downsides with it isn't instantly a jerk who wants to slow you down. You're looking at extremest and grouping everyone with them.

It's like saying tanks shouldn't be allowed to use STR accessories because that's not how they were intended to be played. Should a tank intentionally taking more damage and having less HP be kicked from the group for not playing as intended? No? Then neither should a bard.

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Originally Posted by KimikoDelsia

As for kicking bards for intentionally gimping their damage? That's just plain stupid. A bard not using WM because they feel the dps boost isn't worth the downsides with it isn't instantly a jerk who wants to slow you down. You're looking at extremest and grouping everyone with them.

It's like saying tanks shouldn't be allowed to use STR accessories because that's not how they were intended to be played. Should a tank intentionally taking more damage and having less HP be kicked from the group for not playing as intended? No? Then neither should a bard.

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No one said anything about kicking a BRD for not using WM. If a BRD is doing so poorly that people are considering a kick, then chances are, they'll do poorly with WM anyway. Playing deliberately bad falls into the realms of auto-attacking and afk-netflixing during a pull, or the straight up refusal to dps at all.

And also, strength accessories don't make tanks take extra damage.