BRDs not using WM -_-

[Aomine1992]

Okay so first off I'm not here to bad mouth BRDs

Now I have had it! every single time I'm in a dungeon with a BRD I notice they arnt using WM at all like zero percent of the time, and this just drives me crazy...

I understand yes WM freaking sucks so bad from what I read on the forums, I would feel the same way if they turned my DRG into a caster as well BUT please don't make the people you are in a party with suffer for this...

Dungeons are taking Way longer then they were intended to take...dps checks arnt being met or other dps are forced to play 110% more then their usual to make up for the lack of dps from one..

This is very counter productive no dungeon should take 45mins cause you choose to play selfishly..

My question is why not use WM when the parties need both dps to play optimally, or why even play BRD if you will never use the skill?

[wicked-one]

First of, no one can play 110%, you can´t do more than you are able to do.

I hear my MCH in the Raid complain about gauss as well, asking me how I can stand with this, but well, as a BLM, what shall I say.

Still, even if a Bard uses it or not, I never seen an DPS check unchecked just because of not using WM.

From Bards perspective... most explicityl choose it because of the mobility, and won´t adjust to the changes, because many peoples attitude is "f*** it, i play how i want"

Don´t want to turn this in a parser discussion, because if some people would see their performance, they´d sink in the ground for shame, but als long as you are able to finish the dungoen, they think of "who cares", even if it takes twice the time...

I see this every time i play with my Girlfriend like last time Batman Arkham Series.

While im upto making the perfect 100+ Combo and shredding jokers guys without getting one hit, she mostly mashes the buttons and can´t remember how to K.O. that Knife-Guys efficiently she just had 3 Minutes before in a 5 pack... even thou the game throws hints about the ideal combo for them at you all the time.

It turns me crazy when she hangs out literally hours in the same area where I scanned it with my mind 7 times now for secrets...

I enjoy efficiency, she enjoys playing as it is and the fun of it, ... and sometimes I wonder, if that´s not the more fun way.

morale of the story: Not everyone runs a Dungeon to record a Speedrun of finishing it faster than the whole world, some just want to hang out in there and have some fun.

[AskaRay]

Don´t want to turn this in a parser discussion, because if some people would see their performance, they´d sink in the ground for shame, but als long as you are able to finish the dungoen, they think of "who cares", even if it takes twice the time...

Personally this right here is usually why I leave the issue alone when I don't see WM or GB being used... like as long as we reach the goal I don't care.

Doesn't stop me from internally groaning and complaining in my head the whole run.

[Yaichiro]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

[seekified]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

This is actually such a good point. Just because a bad DPS usually isn't directly related to a party wiping, they shouldn't be let off the hook easy.

[Tharian]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

I was recently in a Party where the Ninja was ONLY using Spinning Edge and absolutely NOTHING else. This was in a post level 50 dungeon. Yeah we kicked that Ninja after the first couple of fights when we realized that the guy was being utterly useless for us.

Basic principle here applies with every class, if the individual in question isn't willing to use all of their skills to the benefit of the Party, and it inadvertently leads to problems for the rest of the party, then that lack of utility on the individuals part qualifies as a low level version of harassment and you CAN kick them for it, especially if it ends up getting your party K.O.'d during a Boss Fight or something to that effect.

As an alternative example, this one being where the DPS was doing his job TOO well... I was in the "Ward Up" Guildhest with this Summoner who had Ifrit-Egi summoned, and had the Egi on "Sic" (even "Obey" would be a problem here) and was absolutely refusing my request to dismiss the Egi so it wouldn't continuously Auto-Attack the Gargoyle's to death prematurely. I was on my healer at the time, and basically stopped healing the party completely so we could be forced out of combat so that the party could Vote Dismiss the stupid Summoner and get a replacement that would work with the party better. That is seriously one of the most annoying Guildhests in existence to go into with a Summoner who won't listen to directions.

Speaking as a person who is just one level off from 60 on my own Bard, I can't help but feel that people are over-stressing the issues with Wanderer's Minuet. The Cast Times are ONLY 1.5 seconds long at the most, which is a full second shorter than any other casting class except the Machinist with Gauss Barrel activated. We still have one of the highest rates of mobility in the game, it isn't like we suddenly became Black Mages by any means. If it really bothers you, then you can very easily just take to "Stance Hopping," since unlike several other classes with Stances we can change our stance mid-battle.

[Melch]

First of, no one can play 110%, you can´t do more than you are able to do.

Wrong.
If you have a DRG and a NIN in your party you can play 110%. That implies you were already playing at 100% without them.
You can even go further if you add AST buff + Selene buff.

[fm_fenrir]

My question is why not use WM when the parties need both dps to play optimally, or why even play BRD if you will never use the skill?

If WM works like GB, it's not always in your interest to keep it up 100% of the time. On the other hand, if your BRDs aren't even turning it on, that's pretty terrible.

Also, sight unseen, there's a high probability those BRDs are undergeared like mad, so even if they did use WM they'd still be dead weight. WM isn't so much of a DPS boost that you'd go from 4 to 2 if your weapon is still i90.

[Aomine1992]

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Obviously I was speaking figuratively about 110% >_>

And no this isn't about record speeds this is about efficiency of dps in 4 man dungeons or trials...

[wicked-one]

And no this isn't about record speeds this is about efficiency of dps in 4 man dungeons or trials...

Read my full post (again), if you missed the point (speedrun records were... how do you say... figuratively)

... not everbody plays videoGAMES for efficiency...

most people have job´s for that* ;-)

* (and even if it is what pays their debts, even there most people go for a 50% approach - but that´s a completely different topic) xD