Less Memorization - More Reaction? (Trials/Raids/Bosses)

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

If SE wants more reflex-based gameplay, they got to fix up their net code first.

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the net code is fine as it is..
as people like you still didnt recognize that its not the spell animation that hits (for example an explosion)... you get hit by aoe attacks right after the the ground mark disappears..

the animation comes right after and then followed by the actual damage which is actually the one and only "delay"... and people say "oh but i was out of that explosion already, why i did get hit by it?" its more like that every animation has its own duration... the mark on the ground counts, not the actual "animation effect".. same for limit breaks in PVP where the animation delay is very long. the ground mark disappears and the animation of meteor crashes in about 1-3 s later after which you receive the damage. so its more like "animation delay"... mark disappears -> animation -> damage received


and im playing in Europe.. while the servers being located in America... i have no problem at all. when you really watch closely the marks on the ground and watch on the other hand when you get hit and when not... you quickly recognize that there is really no delay concerning the connection..

The average joe in DF already can't react to fights that have pre-determined scripts.

I wouldn't mind more instances of a fork in the enemy rotation like T10 does in the last phase, but not straight up random choice of attacks the entire run.

We already got something like this in Stone vigil hard mode, last boss.
I agree with OP, I wouldn't mind seeing more bosses like that.

i think it would be healthy for the community. All this "watch the fight, or know the fight" crap could be far less, since ppl cannot just rely on something they learned.
i really hope they change it in the future. No wonder people get so bored also of coils since this memorization bores you way too fast.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

the net code is fine as it is..
as people like you still didnt recognize that its not the spell animation that hits (for example an explosion)... you get hit by aoe attacks right after the the ground mark disappears..

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It's the castbar that matters, not the ground marker, if you are in the AoE when castbar finishes, you will get hit. Only a few abilities in the game work differently (Mortal Gaze in Wod being a good example of one, the animation matters for that one, not the castbar).

Well theres 4 bosses already with a random element. Shiva Ex on which weapon she uses, Last boss in Stone Vigil HM, turn 10 phase 4 if theres a tether or not before the charge and turn 11, stack or spread, could say on tethers also. Forgot, t13, 1 or 2 towers on phase 4.

Having minor random elements like those above do work, basing the whole fight on random behaiviour can be problematic.

A lot of people talk like it's not possible to program rules to prevent some harder mechanics to happen too many times in a set period of time, or twice in a row, and make sure that they happen at least once, even in a "random" environment. :p

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Originally Posted by Zumi

There are lots of random elements in boss fights already mostly having to do with who gets picked with mechanics.

Examples in Final Coil

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And this is how I prefer it. When you have 7 other people to coordinate with in the harder content it is nice to know that, given time and practice, it is possible to work out how the encounter works and how to deal with what is throw at you. The fact that there is a set of abilities that go off in a particular way doesn't mean much if you can't respond to the random elements of who has to deal with what mechanics and reacting to it. And this has been a thing since Turn 5 and is in some EX primals, too, and that's great. It makes content fun whilst still being beatable without the need for insane luck.

What I'd like to see is more of this in non-raid content, too.

it possible to create exeption in a program for avoid 2 command to overlap, i don't see how is not possible. it's ask more work that sure, but it's not impossible.
same you have a lot of people that say that more random will be either impossible or too easy because SE will tune down the fight. when it's both false....

like said what was asked for long, it's fight less scripted and a bit more random, not fully random, some people think that will drive people away from raiding too... it depend mostly on how SE will balance this and more important the learning curve that the raid will offer for make people able to be good enough for this sort of content.

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Originally Posted by Themis

....It makes content fun whilst still being beatable without the need for insane luck...

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simply no, it's not more fun that not true, since when you have the scripte mastered the fight loose all challenge... it become boring and bland to do it anymore.... it will be dull and almost painfull to farm this sort of content.
by the way, if the fight can only be beaten by luck it's a bad fight! random is not always totally based on the luck! in all the raid i have done soo far only one time i have seen a random mechanic that was putting a looooot of difficulty into a fight. it's into World of Warcraft with the first encounter of Mogu'shan raid, where depending of the dog you did get, the fight was going of extremely easy to extremely hard. however this trouble is there because they have not take in account that some mechanic together was making the fight extremely hard for some static.

don't get me wrong you have always a part of script into a fight, indeed the target of the attack is random or the fight will be insanely dumb. every fight of raid soo far in most mmorg have script at some purcentage into it. like when the different phase of the boss begin. check even the old fight of warcraft, they always had a part of script, but they was smart enough for always put a lot of random in them fight for make sure people don't notice it. do it have make impossible to beat the different content they have offer? no. that the point, that a lot of people (me inclued) ask them to do, less script and more random, not no script and full random. it's dumb to even considerate a full random encounter.

a more random encounter will offer a certain replayability to the content, making the farming still enjoyable.

Stone Vigil HM boss, or perhaps, bosses, GIruveganaus!.... (Giruvegan FFXII *-*)


My favorite bosses in the whole game so far... Their attacks are random, interesting, you have to react. Hoping to see this in the next raid. I don't care if people then call the first world ones 'lucky bastards', I'd rather call them good reaction guys.


(t10 and t11 have luck stuff also, so... Tank tethers in t11 a lot? Everone can do it, even those first timing.... t10 without the tether + charge combo is mega-easy...)