Ranged DPS dominating Slaughter Mode

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Originally Posted by Saiyakupo

There is a learning curve as a melee, true, you do have to plan your moves, pay attention, and use good judgement quite a bit in slaughter, yes, but, compare that to playing a ranged. All you do is pick a target and shoot. When enemies start getting close, you shoot them instead, then pull back to the safety of your group and continue shooting. It's so painfully easy playing something like a summoner as opposed to playing something like a dragoon. I've tried both, and the differences are far too massive to consider it balanced and 'okay'.

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I don't think anyone said they are balanced. Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc... That should speak volumes.

I sincerely hope those single melee keep running full steam into groups of 24 people trying to kill them. It's good entertainment. It reminds me of this level 15 Dragoon I watched attack a S-rank the other day in front of 2 full raids.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

If you're saying the smart way to play is to work as a group and force the other teams to screw up, well yeah... That's not something exclusive to melee.

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There is no team-work, smart, or "forced" part about it; there's little to no team-work or strategy in Slaughter to begin with. You are literally dependent on the other team having melee/healers/ranged that are dumb enough to walk into your alliance (and even then you'd still do much better as a ranged). The other team doesn't need to be smart and it doesn't really matter how skilled you are. You cannot attack other ranged as they will be turtled up with their alliance and you will be gunned down unless you have 1-2 dedicated healers (which is unlikely and a waste of resources). Do you not see how turtling being the optimal strategy is not conducive to fun or fair play?

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I don't think anyone said they are balanced. Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc... That should speak volumes.

I sincerely hope those single melee keep running full steam into groups of 24 people trying to kill them. It's good entertainment. It reminds me of this level 15 Dragoon I watched attack a S-rank the other day in front of 2 full raids.

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So how did that paladin hit you for 4k damage?

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Originally Posted by Bartleby

Do you not see how turtling being the optimal strategy is not conducive to fun or fair play?

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There are objectives in the game to prevent turtling from being the optimal strategy. No guts. No glory.

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Originally Posted by Domira

So how did that paladin hit you for 4k damage?

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no idea, wasn't me as I said. I can verify a BLM's health dropping from full to zero with a pally standing there over the corpse though.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

no idea, wasn't me as I said. I can verify a BLM's health dropping from full to zero with a pally standing there over the corpse though.

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What skill does paladin have that can make them hit harder than a caster lb in pvp?

Here is a list of PLD skills: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Paladin

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc.

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it's really easy to tell melee to position themselves in ways that would benefit them, but it's another thing entirely to actually do this as a melee dps going against 20 casters.

the only alternative to not engaging a group of casters is to sit and do nothing at all. and in that case, melee is pretty much useless.

does a melee have an advantage against a black mage in pvp? yes, probably. does a single melee have an advantage against 10+ black mages grouped together? no way. you'll need at least a few more melee with you in order to be efficient. however, this wont happen, because by now people have seen that being a caster is just easier in huge 72-man battles like this because they can sit back and cast and they have a limit break that does a ridiculous amount of damage for the amount of space it covers.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I don't think anyone said they are balanced. Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc... That should speak volumes.

I sincerely hope those single melee keep running full steam into groups of 24 people trying to kill them. It's good entertainment. It reminds me of this level 15 Dragoon I watched attack a S-rank the other day in front of 2 full raids.

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your lodestone profile says WHM is your only lv.50 job, so you have zero experience as a melee or ranged DPS in Frontlines.

I played hundreds of FL matches as a healer, caster, and melee and I think all the jobs were very well balanced in the old Frontline (Secure). everything you say, all the "tips" you posted, don't make any sense (that's why I search for your character profile cuz it sounds like you never played these jobs in FL). you act like every melee players here are doing bad in Slaughter because they don't know how to play, but actually it's you who never played DPS.

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Originally Posted by Domira

What skill does paladin have that can make them hit harder than a caster lb in pvp?

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I found it. It's called Broken Record.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I found it. It's called Broken Record.

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You are the one that said PLD hits for 4k damage in pvp with a skill. I asked you what skill, you have still yet to answer. I'm sure others would like to know too!

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Originally Posted by Evangela

your lodestone profile says WHM is your only lv.50 job, so you have zero experience as a melee or ranged DPS in Frontlines.

I played hundreds of FL matches as a healer, caster, and melee and I think all the jobs were very well balanced in the old Frontline (Secure). everything you say, all the "tips" you posted, don't make any sense (that's why I search for your character profile cuz it sounds like you never played these jobs in FL). you act like every melee players here are doing bad in Slaughter because they don't know how to play, but actually it's you who never played DPS.

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I like PvP. I have PvP'd in MMOs for the last three years. In previous games I have PvP'd as melee, ranged, and a healer. I joined ffxiv in late November. I've fought in 144 FL campaigns so far. Last night my record in Slaughter was 7-2-1. (In only one of those matches did my team have more ranged DPS than melee).

Frontlines while fun and somewhat new to ffxiv is basically the same as every mmo objective-based pvp instance since WoW launched.

The tips I've posted are pretty basic pvp principles: work with your healers, focus target as a group, don't attack a group alone, and flank opposing teams to expose their backlines. Let me know which of these does not make any sense.