XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

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Originally Posted by lololink

Thank you oh great master your objectives are the only one that matters, let's remove PvP, vanity and craft then.

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I actually get what he's trying to say:

If you choose this game for PvP or Minion collecting, alone, you definitely chose the wrong game - MOBAs are more up your alley if you love PvP. Even WoW is better for PvP - This game isn't focused on those features which means they'll be severely lacking in the long run compared to the PvE aspects (which is also lacking, but is the game's main focus.)

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Originally Posted by Meier

Barely anyone complained? Not sure if serious...

Ive never played wow, but my friends have and said they got bullied to no end for having a paid mount from the cash shop. They all talk about how their was so much rage on the wow forums about it.

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Unlike other MMOs, XI and XIV mount system is universal, so anything added will be the same thing with a different skin since Yoshida doesn't like creating rifts between the have and have nots - as in create a drive to go after x which could upset people who can't get it.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

... so... in the end, what's the point having P2P then....

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With a subscription base, if you get maybe 400,000 members, you know that you’re going to have the money from that monthly subscription for the next month. You also know that you’re going to have 400,000 this month, and it’s not going to go down to 200,000 users next month. That type of jump really doesn’t happen with a subscription model. So you know that you’re going to have a steady income. Because you have a steady income, you can plan ahead further. You can make sure you have staff members to create that new content. By creating new content, you’re making the players happy. If they know this game is going to keep creating new content, they’ll continue to pay their monthly subscription fees. So rather than going for the huge $100-million-a-month hit that you might get with the free-to-play model, having that steady income allows us to provide a better product to the players.

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See the cash shop as an extra income added to the steady income to help to finance extra projects outside of the game, like a datacenter in europe.

Another option could be to increase the sub for all players by 1-3$ for 1-2 years, but that would make more people angry than a optional cash shop.

XI did a lot of stuff differently.

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Originally Posted by Meier

Barely anyone complained? Not sure if serious...

Ive never played wow, but my friends have and said they got bullied to no end for having a paid mount from the cash shop. They all talk about how their was so much rage on the wow forums about it.

Oh and my other friend, Jared Gillis is an engineer for wow and told me the same thing. Wow gets a lot of complaints and hate over their cash shop. I'd much rather trust a dev for wow who has been my friend my whole life, then random person on a forum lol.

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Uhm lol? Who ever got bullied for not having a vanity item in WoW? That is a really bad argument. If anything, people found it funny when people spent 25 dollars on a reskinned mount. I browse WoW forums as much as forums like this and I barely see any complaints towards the shop. Also, my dad works at Nintendo and says everything is fine, because you know....he works at Nintendo.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I actually get what he's trying to say:

If you choose this game for PvP or Minion collecting, alone, you definitely chose the wrong game - MOBAs are more up your alley if you love PvP. Even WoW is better for PvP - This game isn't focused on those features which means they'll be severely lacking in the long run compared to the PvE aspects (which is also lacking, but is the game's main focus.)



Unlike other MMOs, XI and XIV mount system is universal, so anything added will be the same thing with a different skin since Yoshida doesn't like creating rifts between the have and have nots - as in create a drive to go after x which could upset people who can't get it.

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The main focus of the game are 4 bosses every 7 months ? So much for a main focus...

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Originally Posted by lololink

The main focus of the game are 4 bosses every 7 months ? So much for a main focus...

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Only if you limit yourself to a single content

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Originally Posted by lololink

The main focus of the game are 4 bosses every 7 months ? So much for a main focus...

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Coil isn't the only PvE option in this game. So bad you missed all the dungeons, hunts and trials created in this last year

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Originally Posted by Felis

Only if you limit yourself to a single content

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A main focus is usually single or it's not really a main.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Coil isn't the only PvE option in this game. So bad you missed all the dungeons, hunts and trials created in this last year

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You mean the places where gear doesn't matter ? The only place where P2W matters would be coil, others content wouldn't even be worth paying for considering how easy they are. The main focus of the game is the story, too bad you can't see that

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

The counts have been done quite a few times arround the forums. SE has more than enough money to cover actually everything of the game. The only way microtransactions money is going is shareholders. And that isn`t bad perse. Is bad cause for this we got a terrible cash shop for this and the game is becoming a pay2enjoy experience within a pay2play to game. Which is frankly, a disgusting financial strategy. But again, gamers keep reciving as they deserve because they are pretty much, the worse consumers ever in terms of consumer rights and how they just glady go with everything the industry throws at them.

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You don't understand simple thing - shareholders will get theirs whether FF14 have cash shop or not, it's just a way a companies works. And it will mean that you'll not get gold plan items for free as shareholders for sure don't want to give up their share to allow team create more content for you for free.

The general misconception is that people think if cash shop would not exist - those items would be in game for free. Nope, in most cases it means that these items wouldn't be created at all as there is no budget for them. As all development budget already spent on usual content and rest of generated money robbed by management/shareholders for their needs.
And yes, FF11 had only simple, very simple marriage plan and no extra like several dress choices or mount. The very same plan that you can get in FF14 for free.

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Originally Posted by lololink

The main focus of the game is the story, too bad you can't see that

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Strawman me more. I was merely arguing your bad point.

also yeah, uncapped tomes in CS would be P2W even though "only coil matters". Just an example as there could be others.

Also, that sentence is a nice way to counter-argue your own "CS is P2W for minion collectors" as per your own words, minions are not the main focus, therefore it's no P2W.