Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

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Originally Posted by Alukah

If something like this was implemented it would become the norm, it would end up really bad.

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I don't think it would be that bad, honestly. This would only apply to PF groups that want to farm content. It's not like farming parties want inexperienced people in the first place hence the "Multiple runs for the loot" being an available specification when creating the PF group. People who trust in their own ability should negotiate with the party leader to make an exception. :)

I understand your point, it would be more desirable for anyone who wants to clear anything to weed out the less experienced, but looking at the bigger picture it does no good for the game, a month or two after content is released you would hardly ever see parties without this clear requirement on.

If people are being somewhat forced to help out the less experienced (not carry, not all newbies are baddies) then so be it, it's better than a situation where people are more excluded than they are atm.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

If people are being somewhat forced to help out the less experienced (not carry, not all newbies are baddies) then so be it, it's better than a situation where people are more excluded than they are atm.

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You do know that peoople wanting to learn can form their own PF parties, they don't have to rely on someone else making one to their requirements. Forcing people to do things has a higher negative effect than otherwise.

So, you think it's fine that random new person joins a kill party and messes it up for the other 7? Even though requirements were for a certain level of experience?

When content is new, I join as a pre-made party of those who havn't touched it yet, usually from FC, and we figure it out together, I don't join a PF party that has cleared and expect to be instructed.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

you would hardly ever see parties without this clear requirement on

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True, implementing this may cause a fluctuation of PFs that require a clear. This is an undenyable possibility that may occur. However, looking at the current situation, wouldn't you say that it is more hostile?

If people who have no experience with the fight joins a farm group, so say Titan Ex, wouldn't they just end up being dead weight causing the remaining members to lash out and act hostile against these players? If they can't enter the party in the first place, hostility is averted.

Like i said before, I know a lot of people who don't take that initiative to start up their own learning party. So by forcing these players to start acting instead of lazing, more learning parties may show up on the radar.

I don\\\\'t think it\\\\'s fine for the people hosting the party, I have also had farm runs "ruined" by people less experienced, I just think this is the lesser mean, the consequences of being able to completely exclude less experienced people would be far worse than dealing with a few wipes and I use the current situation as an evidence of this, most parties already take this exclusion route, a tool like this would only reinforce it.

You say when content is new you go with a pre-formed party, but what if content is not new?

To reiterate, not all people who haven\\\\'t cleared a content are bad, some people know what to do, but can\\\\'t find a party of other people who also know what to do, so they end up relying on the more experienced ones.

So yeah this is something we all will have to deal with, this is still better (or "not worse") than every single party out there using this to block other people.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

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I only speak for those who know the mechs but can't clear due to bad parties, I don't think they would become dead weights.

Learning parties aren't always the best option when it comes to clearing, because those who have been practicing for weeks are mixed with those who just started.

In the current situation people at least have the chance to clear with some experienced people, should this be enable and there's no doubt every single experienced party would use it, in the end we all like to follow the path of least resistance.

Also to reiterate something that was said earlier, there's no tool to weed out less skilled people. Many people managed to clear content by being dead most of the fight or bought a clear run, these people would get to your party no matter what, this would only shut the door for those who are capable

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Promotes prejudice XD, I'd rather not see it even be an option. I like the idea that in order to force segregation it causes stress, meaning only the most serious will do it - if you make it easy more will do it.
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Not the most serious, the most lazy. Just because someone hasn't done an encounter before doesn't mean they are bad players. This thing the OP is suggesting promotes lazy (not to mention rude) play.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

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Yes, I agree that capable players are not dead weights but I was explaining how those with no experience with the fight can be considered one.

The capable people can join their parties, but just not through PF. I mentioned this before, and these capable players can negotiate with the party leader for an exception to the group if he feels that he is capable enough and trusts in his own ability. There's a reason why they implemented a "Send Tell" button onto the Party Finder.

Don't forget that you also have parties that are for Practice which forces the group to at least read up about the mechanics and work together to get better at tackling it, and for Progression/Kill parties which require you and the team working together to progress further into the fight or dungeon until you can clear it. :)

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Not the most serious, the most lazy. Just because someone hasn't done an encounter before doesn't mean they are bad players. This thing the OP is suggesting promotes lazy (not to mention rude) play.

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Oh sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant to say the people that were "serious" to segregate. Not the most professional, best, or something like that. :)

In 2.0 I tried being honest and truthful and it did me no good. Even though I DF'd Titan HM so much I could have done it with my eyes closed people still wouldn't give me a chance. So I started lying. No thanks to your clearance condition OP.