Beef between WAR and PLD tanks

Sorry, I'm frustrated with SCoB right now, and in a somewhat defensive state I suppose. So don't take it personal Uliq (not saying you are, just saying don't). It's been a while since I visited the tank forums, but yes, all this information has been discussed ad nauseum.

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Originally Posted by Traek

lol, go read when Uliq first came in, and realize who you are arguing with. Really isn't worth the breath to go on tangents. He came in not even knowing Defiance essentially = ShO. Also thinks parry + is block+?

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parry and block are off the same stat, either way your mitigating damage and most time a pld supposed to parry it blocks. Not a big issue since the mitigation difference is still + compared to war. Also stated and/or shield increase which does increase block percentage and damage blocked. And I never argued defiance being inferor to ShO. yet again, someone can't read. I said the heal buff from it is negligible. I also stated that in the future the 25% heal buff will be inferor because in truth, PLD's gain the same HP as war per armor stat yet the DR increases as DEFENSE stat increases. So PLDS HP scales with DR, while WAR HP scales. ALSO, if you haven't noticed the defence stats are scaling at a higher rate then vit or HP. I've also been tanking since 2.1 early release when most of you were stuck on ACN

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Originally Posted by Uliq

parry and block are off the same stat, either way your mitigating damage and most time a pld supposed to parry it blocks. Not a big issue since the mitigation difference is still + compared to war. Also stated and/or shield increase which does increase block percentage and damage blocked. And I never argued defiance being inferor to ShO. yet again, someone can't read. I said the heal buff from it is negligible. I also stated that in the future the 25% heal buff will be inferor because in truth, PLD's gain the same HP as war per armor stat yet the DR increases as DEFENSE stat increases. So PLDS HP scales with DR, while WAR HP scales. ALSO, if you haven't noticed the defence stats are scaling at a higher rate then vit or HP. I've also been tanking since 2.1 early release when most of you were stuck on ACN

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You mean 2.0?

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

You mean 2.0?

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what you said.

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Originally Posted by Uliq

what you said.

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Okay. That makes more sense lol.

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

Okay. That makes more sense lol.

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I can take the lashing, but don't just spout your wrong with no proof of what's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Uliq

I can take the lashing, but don't just spout your wrong with no proof of what's wrong.

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I didn't, but okay.

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Originally Posted by Uliq

I said the heal buff from it is negligible.

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The heal buff helps bring Defiance on par with Shield Oath.. That's hardly negligible.

The rest of that statement doesn't make sense. Physical defense is the same for both tanks, I don't see how you are thinking it scales differently for them. If in fact you mean the scaling of damage reduction in general, yes as time goes one and content starts hitting harding, straight DR scales better for PLD vs just having higher HP.. Again, a topic that has been discussed many moons ago, one that I suspect helped get the changes SE made to WAR in motion.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The heal buff helps bring Defiance on par with Shield Oath.. That's hardly negligible.

The rest of that statement doesn't make sense. Physical defense is the same for both tanks, I don't see how you are thinking it scales differently for them.

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not the physical defense, pld damage reduction scales more with increasing ilvl then wars hit points. In a few upgrades it'll be more noticable unless they rebalance it. Also it is negligible since it still takes a healer +1 or more healing skills to top off war over pld. in most instances you can ignore the 25% heal buff and top the war off with the same amount of curing abilities.

This thread is comical. On any non-tank swapping fight, it is easier to MT than to OT. I always prefer to MT because I can just sit my ass there and rotate cool downs. OT actually has to have more fight knowledge, to know exactly when and where adds will pop to be able to grab them with a pre loaded combo, so that the DPS can go ape shit the moment it pops. Turn 4 when it was first released and Turn 7 now come to mind. I suppose the exception that I can think of is Garuda Ex, given that the English speaking world prefers to have the MT take double WW. So the notion that the OT's job is less important or easier is laughable.

Oh yea, and as for Pld or War. Why the hell do people even think it matters still …. outside of a few nuanced situations, where one over the other may be helpful, its still not necessary.