1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

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Originally Posted by trinta

During the course of this game's lifespan, the bolded words have been thrown around entirely too much on the fan forums, and been wrong entirely too often, for me to even consider giving it any weight.

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Alright, so you think SE is basically sitting on there asses right now and this whole time? Again I don't think so

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Originally Posted by Shipp

And this is what my main point was. They are being given way too much leeway by certain players.

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Said players just aren't trying to be constantly cynical. You can't realistically judge a new team on stuff the old team did, especially when we actually haven't seen all that the new team have done yet. It's like you placing the blame on the poor intern who has to clean up the mess of the guy that got fired.

People really expect things to be done on a day by day basis, which is quite sad. Redoing a game from the foundation and up is years work no matter what company you work at, but of course the cynics would never believe that. So it's not certain players that give "leeway", it's just some people actually realize and understand things take a long time.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Back when 1.18 was supposed to come out in <2 months? Obviously you can say such things before shit falls apart. Now it has taken them a month longer, which was not their original intention, meaning there is a problem unless they work in mysterious ways that makes everything fall into place.

So if they do, they should come out and surprise us. Whatever the forum dwellers feel is meaningless.

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I lold at this idk why but it was funny...

anywhozerwhatits.... this thread is basically telling me that SE is sitting on the asses doing nothing and they wont push out any content because they are lazy {enter curse word here}

Thread=Negative to the 5th degree No thanks

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Alright, so you think SE is basically sitting on there asses right now and this whole time? Again I don't think so

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I don't know what they're doing, and I'm not going to pretend I do, much less use my view of what I think they're doing to lecture others.

Your guess is just a guess, same as anyone else's.

Shipp, you have no flipping clue the exact time of planning, developing, and implementing development for any game. The reason why most arguments are valid regarding why FFXIV seems slow in their implementation of content is because we know they started a new plan of development in January. Comparing their pace to other games is ridiculous because you're comparing it to something that already had a clear plan for what was being implemented for the past year after launch.

This does not say the content will be spun gold. That is a different argument altogether. This is just about the time table. Some think it's fair. I personally think they are above average atm. If the content doesn't match up with the time taken to develop it though... that'll be a different story. No one knows how that will turn out yet.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

People really expect things to be done on a day by day basis, which is quite sad. Redoing a game from the foundation and up is years work no matter what company you work at, but of course the cynics would never believe that. So it's not certain players that give "leeway", it's just some people actually realize and understand things take a long time.

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So, we finally back to what the thread was about?

Day by day basis is meaningless, but when the month by month basis keeps proving to be unsatisfactory there is a problem.

Comparisons are not ridiculous. The market doesn't tolerate excuses. Either you are competitive or you go down crashing. SE is an underdog but the market economy doesn't give a damn. Can't make magic happen? Go bankrupt then.

Tsunamis, new managements, new development schedules...it's all meaningless to capitalism. And I want this game to succeed, knowing this makes me concerned. There are no excuses.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

So, we finally back to what the thread was about?

Day by day basis is meaningless, but when the month by month basis keeps proving to be unsatisfactory there is a problem.

Comparisons are not ridiculous. The market doesn't tolerate excuses. Either you are competitive or you go down crashing. SE is an underdog but the market economy doesn't give a damn. Can't make magic happen? Go bankrupt then.

Tsunamis, new managements, new development schedules...it's all meaningless to capitalism. And I want this game to succeed, knowing this makes me concerned. There are no excuses.

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All this explains why you don't understand what SE is up against and take nothing into Consideration my dear friend.. I call it Impatient.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That doesn't mean they aren't working on quite a bit more features than what you mentioned, all at once.

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You are completely correct. And I'd like to know how Yoshi-P considers two raids "fundamental". Fundamentals would seem like, I don't know, overhauling the battle system and introducing that instead of delaying the patch, yet again, for supposedly just tweaking the raids.

Did you just make this thread to argue? You start off talking about how they've delayed the patches and how this seems to indicate the future patches will be off-schedule. Some agrees with you and you start white-knighting. Did I miss something here?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

All this explains why you don't understand what SE is up against and take nothing into Consideration my dear friend.. I call it Impatient.

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Ever since the May letter telling us to wait until mid-June I haven't given enough of a damn to be impatient. 1.18 coming in a week? Cool I guess. 1.19 in 3 months? Whatever really.

all I want is for the game to succeed, and this pace isn't going to make it happen regardless of how many hurdles they must go through. Only that concerns me. The patches could come every half a year for all I care as long as they have meaningful impact.

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Did you just make this thread to argue? You start off talking about how they've delayed the patches and how this seems to indicate the future patches will be off-schedule. Some agrees with you and you start white-knighting. Did I miss something here?

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Yes you did: the reality is not black-and-white. People agree with me and say other things that are not true, which I disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

You are completely correct. And I'd like to know how Yoshi-P considers two raids "fundamental". Fundamentals would seem like, I don't know, overhauling the battle system and introducing that instead of delaying the patch, yet again, for supposedly just tweaking the raids.

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Game development 101:

Implementing systems = fundamental for progress -- If you get your systems implemented you have the ground work laid out to expand it even faster and further as the initial implementation is always the hurdle. Battle system overhauls and implementing the raid system and grand companies = fundamentals to expand the game.

Remember, Fundamental means the core of something, so having a core raid system in place is indeed fundamental.