Allow food to be kept for 30 minutes (even across dead)

lower the price of food stuff? hey for those not understanding it. NOT SE is making the prices. If you are dumb enough to pay ridicolous amount of gil for food, the market will transform in this way. Its like in reality, something that sells really well, rarely gets cheaper, but it will stay at a high price, those not able to afford it whining about it are ignored by those making the prices ... why? because they want to earn money.

I think the status quo is creating a culture of not using food, so this kind of change might actually help culinarians (by increasing demand more than supply is limited).

Food effects should disappear when you die just as they do now. Got a problem with that? Stop dying.

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Originally Posted by Bearssi

Simple solution, lower the price of making foodstuff.
"Eorzean archive researchers have discovered that the Allagan empire could make abundance of food from single crystal. This lead to famine being extinct in the world."

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This is not a simple solution. Cost isn't the only reason for this. The amount of time to make food is pretty long. In order to craft up even 100 food for a FC in a week takes hours of work by 1 person. Yes we could easily tell people to pay someone else to craft it but we shouldn't have to.

I don't get this fixation on "if you don't want to loose it don't die or don't eat it." If i'm not eating it, i'm not buying more of it, so... yeah. That doesn't really solve anything.

Lets look at progression consumption.

Doing Turn 4 porgression, striving for that first win, One of the nights, we did a 3 hour block and I used up 16 of my food. So about 5 and hour, or 2.5 per half hour. I would have bought half as many personally, but I'm 1.0 rich. I have gil to burn so idgaf.

Non legacy players in my group? They could maybe afford 1 or 2 nice pieces and mostly used trash or none. If, hoever, I told them "we are going to raid for 3 hours, so you need 6." That's a nice, fixed amount they can sell a potash and know they are raid ready. If just one of them does it, you've made up for my lost buisness. Accross my fc, very few peopel are eating on every boss pull, we really aren't contirubiting to the market, precicely because it feels like wasted gil.

If you knew you bought x time with your purchase, you'd buy more of it as an average player. Its not about what the hardcore players do, they/we are always gonna do that. The market, however, is going to largely dependo n decisions of more casual / less xcore players. Knowing you can expect teh buff of food for a fixed time -- just as you do now on crafting and gathering--encourages more players to use it, resulting in more buys, resulitng in more vibrant economy.

As others have pointed out, if you know you aren't oging to die, there is no point in eating the food to start with so that just kills the point of cul being in the game (other than repairing my pumpkin head I guess <.<)

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Originally Posted by Ariyn

This is not a simple solution. Cost isn't the only reason for this. The amount of time to make food is pretty long. In order to craft up even 100 food for a FC in a week takes hours of work by 1 person. Yes we could easily tell people to pay someone else to craft it but we shouldn't have to.

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My solution was inside the quotation marks.

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Originally Posted by PandaPause

QQ much?

Wouldn't the price increase w/ duration as well? If you sold it for the same price as 30 min duration you only have yourself to blame. That's just bad business.

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QQ? I have money to spare because after raising my CUL I discovered is not a good source of money, leveled up another crafting class and I make money with the other.
Fishing and Culinarian are now there, waiting for a somewhat useful buff to make them actually useful and money-productive.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

lower the price of food stuff? hey for those not understanding it. NOT SE is making the prices. If you are dumb enough to pay ridicolous amount of gil for food, the market will transform in this way. Its like in reality, something that sells really well, rarely gets cheaper, but it will stay at a high price, those not able to afford it whining about it are ignored by those making the prices ... why? because they want to earn money.

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You know how money works? If making something requires a lot of time and "a lot of studies", it costs more. High level food (hq) requires CUL 50, some subclasses, max gear and at least 1 between botainst and mining.
Weaver can craft a 500K + item, ok they won't sell it often so I don't expect me to have a similar item, but still (and I have a lot of subclasses) crafting a single starred food requires around 35 steps unless you get an excellent or ALL HQ materials (which are costly, and if you want farm those you need usually fishing + botanist/mining).
So, to make a good food you need good farming (level up), you need fishing (and some fishes can be taken only at fixed times, like clusters) and you have to stay there and create food.
Believe me, it will take A LOT.

This is why food is not supposed to be economic, lowering the price will destroy even more the class itself, because you don't want to do 300 gil / 1:30 hours believe me.

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Originally Posted by Iecerint

I think the status quo is creating a culture of not using food, so this kind of change might actually help culinarians (by increasing demand more than supply is limited).

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You know, the culture is already DO NOT BUY HIGH LEVEL FOOD. It's too costly.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Food effects should disappear when you die just as they do now. Got a problem with that? Stop dying.

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They told me you play a lot of end-game content.
They told me you explained really well you point of view.

Please, actively partecipate to thread or just do not post at all.
We are discussing here.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

I don't get this fixation on "if you don't want to loose it don't die or don't eat it." If i'm not eating it, i'm not buying more of it, so... yeah. That doesn't really solve anything.

Lets look at progression consumption.

Doing Turn 4 porgression, striving for that first win, One of the nights, we did a 3 hour block and I used up 16 of my food. So about 5 and hour, or 2.5 per half hour. I would have bought half as many personally, but I'm 1.0 rich. I have gil to burn so idgaf.

Non legacy players in my group? They could maybe afford 1 or 2 nice pieces and mostly used trash or none. If, hoever, I told them "we are going to raid for 3 hours, so you need 6." That's a nice, fixed amount they can sell a potash and know they are raid ready. If just one of them does it, you've made up for my lost buisness. Accross my fc, very few peopel are eating on every boss pull, we really aren't contirubiting to the market, precicely because it feels like wasted gil.

If you knew you bought x time with your purchase, you'd buy more of it as an average player. Its not about what the hardcore players do, they/we are always gonna do that. The market, however, is going to largely dependo n decisions of more casual / less xcore players. Knowing you can expect teh buff of food for a fixed time -- just as you do now on crafting and gathering--encourages more players to use it, resulting in more buys, resulitng in more vibrant economy.

As others have pointed out, if you know you aren't oging to die, there is no point in eating the food to start with so that just kills the point of cul being in the game (other than repairing my pumpkin head I guess <.<)

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There are people that don't know how to use logic, so they can't even think about these issues.

Anyway, your explaination is the perfect one, clearly shows what the issue and how to fix it.

Just made food last an hour instead of 30 minutes but leave in the death penalty, that way people that arent bad (dont die) feel like they get their moneys worth if they try to squeeze in multiple dungeon runs on 1 meal.

They wont ever make food last through death because of speed/death sac pull strategies.
If you died, you're bad or need to learn fight mechanics better and you should be punished for it (lose food buff).

Its sad how many 2star melded/relic/+1 people think they are good but wont spend even 500g-1k on a piece of midrange food.
Take some pride in your damn job and eat some food.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

The food buffs are already so small as to be nearly insignificant. The only real difference is the extra vit provided, and that's really only important for the tanks.

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And people wonder why they can't clear the "hard" content in this game. *rolls eyes*

I do believe HQ food should persist through death, however. To compare to ToR--normal stims lose their effect after death, but the higher quality (within a specific tier) stims persist through death for their full duration. It not only promotes the usage of stims(food), but also adds value to a higher quality item over its lower quality counterpart. If HQ persists through death, that will add incentive for culinarians to actually sit and craft the HQ rather than quick-synthing for bulk.

I know WoW is a dirty term here but I think what Blizzard did with alchemy and flasks could be adapted well to culinarian food buffs pretty well. Have a high level food buff that lasts 1 hour, persists through death and gives decent buffs but costs a decent amount in mats. I get that flasks in WoW was an alchemy thing (was an herb/alc) but I think that'd be fair enough if it required a decent amount of mats and provided a good buff.