Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

Needed a decent group(free),

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Thats naive to think people would do Stuff for free. ( Of course some do, but most dont ).

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needed 500k/run(sell 50 currency, free),

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Run was 1.000.000 7 Years ago and if i would have sell Currency to get the Fee back i was in need to sell 200 ( since some were 5k ), which was a decent amount you could have gotten out of 1 run. So the whole run would have been a waste since i got nothing out of it.

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needed 100 peices(0.1% drop rate, turn in 100 1 pieces to make 1 at the goblin, free), purchase NO currency @150(on avg in a good shell) a run-50 for the cost of the run for 10000 for a full relic==10000/100 100 runs @1run/3days == 300 days total time needed and 0 gil

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I dont think you ever worked on a Relic, since that Math-Example is an naive assessment of the situation like mentioned above and said before. Total Cost if you buy all currency was 120.000.000, no matter if you could have sell some of the Currency to pay the Entry-Fee, or just bought Currency without sponsoring. In the end you would have to do more runs to get the Currency back you sold in the early Progress, to the the total amount you need. So you could have save the Time and not sell any of them.. but no matter how you turn it, it either has costs more time or more gil. And again.. it is really naive to think that everyone was able to have a Linkshell which will run Dynamis all the Time just for 1 guy. I knew Linkshells which did it once a week, once a month, 2 times a week but currency were free lot and so on... and so on.

But here again back to the Topic

The Current Progress in FFXIV CAN obviously be done in 1 Week and not everyone got their Seals before the Patch. I mentioned examples where people started along with the Patch.

Oh apologizes, The situation was hypothetical! Haha. Staying up way past when i should be in bed causes me to write long rants with lots of errors!

As far as I know, no one has completed the Mithril yet.

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Originally Posted by Quatre

Oh apologizes, The situation was hypothetical! Haha. Staying up way past when i should be in bed causes me to write long rants with lots of errors!

As far as I know, no one has completed the Mithril yet.

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Was still a good statement. Your FFXI example I liked. At least in FFXI everyone was on a equal playing field and everyone had to do an equal amount of work to get their relic. In FFXIV, you can complete this quest line in a week, or in months, it all depends on your luck, which is the completely wrong thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Was still a good statement. Your FFXI example I liked. At least in FFXI everyone was on a equal playing field and everyone had to be an equal amount of work to get their relic. In FFXIV, you can complete this quest line in a week, or in months, it all depends on your luck, which is the completely wrong thing to do.

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but again in all fairness, how many times could you enter dynamis in a week to get relic?

how many times can you enter hamlet in a week?


thats the BIGGEST factor in this

in 11 you had to take your time
in 14 you can spend more time to get it quicker

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Originally Posted by Nero

Thats naive to think people would do Stuff for free. ( Of course some do, but most dont ).



Run was 1.000.000 7 Years ago and if i would have sell Currency to get the Fee back i was in need to sell 200 ( since some were 5k ), which was a decent amount you could have gotten out of 1 run. So the whole run would have been a waste since i got nothing out of it.



I dont think you ever worked on a Relic, since that Math-Example is an naive assessment of the situation like mentioned above and said before. Total Cost if you buy all currency was 120.000.000, no matter if you could have sell some of the Currency to pay the Entry-Fee, or just bought Currency without sponsoring. In the end you would have to do more runs to get the Currency back you sold in the early Progress, to the the total amount you need. So you could have save the Time and not sell any of them.. but no matter how you turn it, it either has costs more time or more gil. And again.. it is really naive to think that everyone was able to have a Linkshell which will run Dynamis all the Time just for 1 guy. I knew Linkshells which did it once a week, once a month, 2 times a week but currency were free lot and so on... and so on.

But here again back to the Topic

The Current Progress in FFXIV CAN obviously be done in 1 Week and not everyone got their Seals before the Patch. I mentioned examples where people started along with the Patch.

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You are so wrong i created an dyna shell for my relic in one day, got 30 ppl to sign up in a few hrs of shouting. 99% of the ppl was fine with going into dyna trying to get AF armor and didn't really care about currency. Also there isn't a set price i could have paid, 180 mil while the other player paid 120 mil depends on how much you was willing to spend outside dyna Also you could trade 100 byne bills for an 100 byne bill or other way around so you did not have to grind for 100's from boss monsters.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but again in all fairness, how many times could you enter dynamis in a week to get relic?

how many times can you enter hamlet in a week?


thats the BIGGEST factor in this

in 11 you had to take your time
in 14 you can spend more time to get it quicker

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Yet in Dynamis, you were given currency towards your goal each time, and AF2 armor to go on top of that. Point is, in FFXI, you didn't leave empty handed. Someone always got a relic, you always got your currency.

At this point, I rather have a long time restriction on AV/CC than deal with the mass amount of disappointments I get every half hour or so.

In the end I'm sure like with everything else, SE will cave in and hand these relics out and probably make Legacy items take only 2 days to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Yet in Dynamis, you were given currency towards your goal each time, and AF2 armor to go on top of that. Point is, in FFXI, you didn't leave empty handed. Someone always got a relic, you always got your currency.

At this point, I rather have a long time restriction on AV/CC than deal with the mass amount of disappointments I get every half hour or so.

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you do realize, that af2 armor on top of that, pretty much described militia/darklight and other drops you can get while getting seals


also, getting 9 seals vs gettign 100k whatever currency, is a HUGE difference in number requirements, say it all you want, getting that 5-10 currency per run vs all you actualy need(when split) is not "noticable progress" and if you look at groups pooling currency to 1 player, nothing stops people from doing that here either, so both examples are the EXACT SAME, with 14s being quicker and easier to get then 11s


going back to av/cc its the same deal with "other gear" that can drop, from ther the concern goes towards the seal drops which will still come quicker then the "how many years/months" itl take you to collect dynamis currency, you just seriously cant compare

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Originally Posted by Quatre

This post hits the nail on the head.

My friend is extremely lucky with hamlet seals, he's completed his before many of us have even gotten 2. (Same number of runs, mind you)
He also double melded his weapon on first try. It only took him 10 runs in AV to get his Mithril Ore, And 7 in CC to get his items.


Me on the other hand, have done literally 5 times the hamlets and still dont have 5 seals, because of crappy lucky. I've attempted to double meld 7 weapons. I will go 3/80 and then 3/58 on the AV/CC items.


There should never be a system in which if you get luck you can complete in a ridiculously fast amount of time, and if you get unlucky... never complete at all.

In the top instance, you could realistically complete the relic in a week.

While the bottom instance, you can't even fit that ALL in before 2.0

It should be a solid 2months of consistent content (2-3 hours a day). That's why people are complaining it and saying FFXI's system was better. The amount of work you put into getting the currencies was the same no matter who you were.

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Sorry, along with Madruk i'm going to call Bullshit as well. This is not getting lucky one time. This is getting lucky 6 times in a row with a drop rate that is well below 5%. Unless your friend can provide proof of his in-game text chat for the quest then I can't believe this. Call me skeptical but based on our rates I think you're talking high water to prove a point.

Also to TheVedis. The post I did about our drop rates is fact. I am the only one to have received a Mythril in 2 and a half days of constant raid spam. There is a chance that one of the Twelve direly HATES us but I doubt it. It's a crap drop rate, and it's not possible to trade the item.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

Sorry, along with Madruk i'm going to call Bullshit as well. This is not getting lucky one time. This is getting lucky 6 times in a row with a drop rate that is well below 5%. Unless your friend can provide proof of his in-game text chat for the quest then I can't believe this.

Also to TheVedis. The post I did about our drop rates is fact. I am the only one to have received a Mythril in 2 and a half days of constant raid spam. There is a chance that one of the Twelve direly HATES us but I doubt it. It's a crap drop rate, and it's not possible to trade the item.

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that may be the case with some, but im finding it very interesting that most drop rates people post, are in sets of 8

0/8, 0/16, and so on, so i can pretty much assume, and so can others, that even if you are telling the truth, several others are posting it as such where they are counting 1 run as a 0/8 drop