Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

I don't understand what is so hard about not queuing for MSQ Roulette. No one is forcing anyone to run the roulette daily for EXP/Tomes. I hate running expert, so I don't do it... I just don't understand what's so hard about just simply not running it.

If queue times for new players become terrible where they can't clear it, I'm pretty sure SE will actually do something about it since MSQ gates content and they will lose subscribers if they don't.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

...Ok yeah nice, but still tell me why I have to watch those garbage cut scenes when I am running my alts through the main story. Unsynced in PF or with a friend.

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I will agree that there should be an option via PF/Unsync to skip the CS's in these dungeons.

The problem here is they're doing it wrong expecially with Praetorium.

Castrum is reasonable because theres only 2 odd semi long CS's but overall it doesnt change much.

Praetorium on the other hand is WAY over the top. So much so that with some of the CS's people will just afk most of the dungeon. Its ironically faster as well to unplug the modem cable to force DC and relog and you bypass the CS entirely. This is whats gonna start happening with older players who arent in the mood. They'll just work around it once they get fed up.

The simplest and most effective solution would be to basically turn most of castrum meridanum into a solo instance and make livia a trial fight like rhitalyn and as for the praetorium the same thing with the ultima fight its own trial. That would solve the issue as newbies arent likely to miss CS's that much. Even if the CS's were unskippable on the latter it would be only 2 as opposed to 6 or 7 which is ridiculous.

I never had problems with newbies in the dungeon they were free poetics and anyone whinging about it were utter muppets. Anyone vote kicking for someone watching a CS deserved to be kicked themselves for griefing.

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

I don't understand what is so hard about not queuing for MSQ Roulette.

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Truth be told: Neither.

The change is live, we've seen the rewards and I deemed them not worth it for me, so now I just sit back and watch if it becomes an issue or not. If it somehow doesn't become an issue, well... yay? I like being wrong when I'm doomsaying. If it does, I can still come back going:"I told you so."

But for now... wait and see.

I tried both dungeons and compared the tomestone gains to Aetherochemical Research Facility.

Castrum: 40 minutes
Prae: 50 minutes
ARF: 25 minutes

Poetic tomes:
normal / roulette bonus / noob bonus
100 / 200 / 100
200 / 200 / 100
150 / - / 100

Poetic tomes per minute:
normal / roulette bonus / noob bonus / roulette and noob bonus
2,5 / 7,5 / 5 / 10
4 / 8 / 6 / 10
6 / - / 10 / -

If a first-timer is with you on the run, then MSQ roulette and ARF are equally efficient and offer the best tome gains. Without a new player MSQ roulette is better than ARF. MSQ dungeons are not worth running for Poetic tomes without the roulette bonus.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I tried both dungeons and compared the tomestone gains to Aetherochemical Research Facility.

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Below lvl 60, you don't have access to ARF.

And there is also the Xp gain to take into account.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

why take out the roulette bonus for ARF? it is in the lv 50-60 roulette correct?

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Because the 50-60 roulette has many other dungeons with much smaller Poetic gains and getting ARF in the roulette is not guaranteed. I used to farm Poetics by doing ARF over and over which is why I made the comparison.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

arf is around 15-20 btw, anything over 20 someone is slacking

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If you can do it in 15 minutes that's 10 Poetics/minute which makes it better than MSQ roulette. A 20 minute run is as efficient as doing Castrum in the roulette, but worse than doing Prae in the roulette, so I would pick MSQ roulette over ARF if a 15 minute run isn't doable. My 25 minute run was synced and unsync is obviously faster.

You can get done 2 ARF runs within the timeframe of finishing a non-skippable cutscene MSQ dungeons. MSQ roulette prior to 4.2 took like 15 or so mins to get done even with newbies and a lot of them just skipped the cutscenes anyway. Not everyone wants to sit through old cutscenes (which you will WATCH EVERYDAY I MIGHT ADD) you can just rewatch at a inn or on youtube.

As far as exp, I would get more or relatively the same exp from msq roulette doing Alliance Raid Roulette. As for tomes, farming via MSQ roulette is inefficient for the amount of time it will now take to finish them compared to just farming ARF x2 in the timeframe it would take to finish MSQ roulette now and you would get the same amount of tomes and with a run taking less time. If you don't mind rewatching the scene cutscenes over and over and over again everyday...fine. As for me, I value my time and won't touch msq roulette again and if i need to farm poetics I have other means to get them at a faster pace.

I honestly think it was better the way it was before because everyone had options. Veterens and newbies who didn't really care about the story or who were fine with just viewing the scenes at the inn were able to speedrun, and those who really cared about the story/felt that they really needed to see the scenes while in the dungeon and that watching at the inn just wasn't the same, were able to ask friends for help or find help on party finder. With these changes it doesn't matter if you go with friends or find like minded players on party finder, you still HAVE to watch the cutscenes.

I know I know, "if you don't like it don't run it." I won't, but that doesn't mean I can't have the opinion that these changes weren't great. I think if they weren't willing to go back and make some sweeping changes to these dungeons, then the best solution would have just been to give a warning to first timers that the upcoming dungeons are going to be heavy on cut scenes and to go with friends or try party finder for the best experience.

I still think queues for these dungeons are going to go up as time goes on, but obviously no one regardless of opinion has any numbers to back that up. Only SE knows, so if after a few months there is still a sifficient amount of people queueing to get the first timers through, then great. Those of us who are finished with that part of the story and don't want to do the dungeons can just move forward and not look back. And those of us who have alts... well I can still hope at the very least they will change it so a preformed party can decide if they want cutscenes or not.

Also lets not forget every single person becomes a vet of these two instances as soon as they've run it once. A newbie first timer today, a vet wanna get it done speedrunner tomrrow. These changes are punishing to the majority of players tbh. And like I said, newbies who care about the story always had options before these changes, now no one does.

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

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Also lets not forget every single person becomes a vet of these two instances as soon as they've run it once. A newbie first timer today, a vet wanna get it done speedrunner tomrrow. These changes are punishing to the majority of players tbh. And like I said, newbies who care about the story always had options before these changes, now no one does.

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Newbies had options but it wasn't convenient to get it done in a less than involved manner.
You had to build the PF and wait for people to join then start it. If you ARE a new person, the chances you've used PF are low, but the chances you used DF are high since that actually has precedent earlier in the game.
I get that taking a roulette out of regular rotation sucks, I get that it seems like they've taken away something that people had measured and used. But the "option" was always that for people helping out. They didn't need it but the sprouts did. The sprouts NEEDED people to help and if they could not find people who wanted to do the story run without skipping things they were stuck in progression.

The people who don't want to watch cutscenes now? Don't go. You've lost very little, and by the attitude given by many people in this thread , they don't even think poetics are worth anything anyway (I still use them for lots, but that's not what the prevalent attitude is).

As I've said a few times before I agree there IS a problem in that you cannot skip CS if you are revisiting for an alt , even if you PF it or just queue solo. That SUCKS. That needs to change because the choice has been taken out of it. But there are parts of the change I still think were necessary with the changing available playerbase.

'''Duty Roulette Cutscenes'' with no bonus tomestomes. Than all the problems will be solved.