Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I want something between Au Ra and Highlander: buff, but with a slightly slimmer waist. Preferably with ear choices and length sliders cause I hate how horns are locked both to face and a fixed size :(

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YES! I want them to be built for agility without compromising upper body and leg strenght, so a little like Au Ra proportions without the whole horns/ears being tied to faces ruining my day.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Think you need to chill, someone wanting Hrothgar could easily be someone who doesn't want genderlocks. If they're locked then those who want female Hrothgar are also...

This is a thread discussing gender locked races, Hrothgar is sadly viewed as one of them due to the leaks - I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed here.

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He's obviously just someone who doesn't want opposing viewpoints voiced. I called him out on ridiculous behavior and now he's saying I'm only being negative. It's fine, he won't deter me from looking at forums while gathering. Also, on the genderlocking issue, am I the only one who would be really interested in a female lioness type deal? Like come on, that'd be BA. All you guys who currently play f miqo could have a strong prideful race that isn't as "pandering" since people were hating on Viera lol.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I mean, to be frank - someone wanting Hrothgar is obviously going to be in the same boat. I can understand the want for Hrothgar, but I'd be extremely saddened by what they would represent.

Best of both worlds, as people have stated before would be to have both races without a gender-lock slapped on them. The sad fact is that someone who wants male Hrothgar is saddled into the corner where they're viewed as wanting a genderlock - because there are only two ways it can go. Hrothgar is the male option and is genderlocked or no genderlocks. It shouldn't mean that those of us should who want male Viera should start screeching because someone else wants Hrothgar - blame SE for this, not them. Or, wait for the live letter and we can see if we really need to start writing our desires for genderlocks to be lifted.

People are allowed to like what they want. I only wrinkle my -hopefully male bunny- nose when someone comes into the thread and just goes 'hurr hurr, I hope they're gender locked because f you guys.'

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Yea, that is my biggest issue with the whole thing. There isn't anything wrong with a race like the Hrothgar at all. I welcome it, I might even end up liking it more than Viera depending on how it looks, but the way they seem to be setting up to unveil them isn't going to go over well. It just feels like a bait and switch since people were already expecting male Viera. So now Hrothgar are going to get a bad rep from the get go (assuming they go with a genderlocked route).


Basically, I predict it being a big ol' mess. If people were booing for the blue mage reveal, I doubt this is going to go over well at all. I'm hoping I'm wrong though.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Me looking at your posts:

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This thread could have definitely become something way more positive than what you and the rest of your crowd came and did to it. There are a lot of theories and lore speculation in the earlier posts and then at some point a few toxic bara cat lovers came in and took the conversation in an entirely different direction. If you don't want male Viera go post on the Hrothgar thread. You are not contributing anything positive or of substance here except your negativity.

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ok this thread is positive just by existing its positive because it shows there is concern in the community about gender locking races rather than just accepting it we are talking about it, now the forum top that this thread resides is general discussion pure positive eventually becomes an echo chamber and that is not healthy, people have different opinions and concerns and are allowed to share them if they conflict this is where discussions happen and can be good or bad depending on the individuals involved but they are healthier than pure echo chambers. This thread wouldn't be nearly as big without different views on the matter throughout this thread there has been people too positive, people too negative and people too aggressive people do need to be reigned in at times when they go too far in any direction but no voice should be snuffed out or told to go away its an open forum after all and they have a right to voice it as much as you have a right to criticize it within reason

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Look at my post history, I've explained what I'm posting to. Did you post that you want male Viera and stop? No? Thought so. Why should I not post rebuttals to people who are saying ridiculous things if I want the opposite? You are literally advocating for an echo chamber. If you don't want to hear opposing opinions, don't come to a public forum. What have I said that was asinine?

Edit: About the "napoleonic complex" comment from red, that's really funny considering it's just a game character, dude lol. I play lalafell because when I ninja they look like airplanes. This thread was never about theories or fan art lol. It was about whether they were going to genderlock Viera, and I've been posting about how likely/unlikely that is for the most part.

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ok.. well how about you go create your own echo chamber for people who want to complain about people wanting male viera.

My god for a second I thought this was Gladiolus from FFXV but upon looking closer...

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This with bunny ears pls! Kthnxbye!

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If Hrothgar are added, I wonder if they'll have any speech quirks like the Ronso?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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If Hrothgar are added, I wonder if they'll have any speech quirks like the Ronso?

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Alas, that boat sailed for the Xaela... :(

Hope not. That would make Hrothgar seem like a beastman instead of an intelligent race. "Me Scholar. Me study Nym good." Now about female Hrothgar...

It's less to do with their intellect and more to do with having their own tongue, such that the Eorzean common tongue would be foreign to them. I realise there's limitations on what they can do with VA in the game, but I do wish such dialects extended beyond beast tribes... my biggest disappointment when arriving in Ishgard was that it sounded just about the same as everywhere else in the game.

Plus, some (and I do stress, some) of the beast tribes are fairly intelligent, anyway. They're just quirky.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Also, on the genderlocking issue, am I the only one who would be really interested in a female lioness type deal? Like come on, that'd be BA.

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You ain't and I've been saying as much here, on reddit, and in several discord groups lol

I don't know if I'd play a female lionness personally and in that same vein, I don't see myself ever playing a femroe. They just aren't my cup of tea. But theres theres a crowd for em and I'm 300% in favor for them being a thing for customization's sake.

2 complete races would be ideal, but even 1 complete race is better than 1 & 1. With 1 & 1 you cheese off 2 groups- those who'd want males of group A and those who'd want females of group B.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If Hrothgar are added, I wonder if they'll have any speech quirks like the Ronso?

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I hope not. Hell, I even like that they toned down the ye olde speaking in SB.

Eh, it'd add a bit more variety to how various groups sound in the game... everyone sounding the same barring beast tribes is just dull, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It's less to do with their intellect and more to do with having their own tongue, such that the Eorzean common tongue would be foreign to them. I realise there's limitations on what they can do with VA in the game, but I do wish such dialects extended beyond beast tribes... my biggest disappointment when arriving in Ishgard was that it sounded just about the same as everywhere else in the game.

Plus, some (and I do stress, some) of the beast tribes are fairly intelligent, anyway. They're just quirky.

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Mm. It adds flavour to the game world. I don't want the only differences between the playable races to be their physical appearance. It's just boring - and if I'm honest, I'm already tired of how often the playable races feel interchangeable. If we ever get another Final Fantasy MMO then it is my hope that it will have distinct starter zones for each race to better play up the differences in their culture.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I hope not. Hell, I even like that they toned down the ye olde speaking in SB.

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I don't. One of the reasons I invested in FFXIV over other MMO's was due to how it wasn't just another MMO using generic American English at every possible turn. Thankfully they switched to mostly British voice actors, at least...

So, make ff14-2 more like WoW. Why do you play a midlander?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If Hrothgar are added, I wonder if they'll have any speech quirks like the Ronso?

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I'd be fine with that. One thing I like about FFXIV is the accents and/or speech quirks they try to give characters, beastmen included (when/if they get a voice). Gives the world a little more flavour.
As much as I hate Viera, I do hope that if they get any voiced lines, they have the same accent they had in FFXII and not just be England - Forest.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

Why do you play a midlander?

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They're able to be designed to be classically handsome. I lost interest in Xaela when they became subservient to Doma. Raen, meanwhile, were shafted almost completely. Elezen intrigued me for a while but Ishgard's depth and grit was eroded away almost entirely...and the same is applicable to Ala Mhigo with someone as bland as Lyse being the face of the region in the present day. Miqo'te and Lalafell are far too short for my personal tastes. Roegadyn are too bulky.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Mm. It adds flavour to the game world. I don't want the only differences between the playable races to be their physical appearance. It's just boring - and if I'm honest, I'm already tired of how often the playable races feel interchangeable. If we ever get another Final Fantasy MMO then it is my hope that it will have distinct starter zones for each race to better play up the differences in their culture.

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Absolutely. I'm not a fan of how they handled that aspect at all in XIV.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

So, make ff14-2 more like WoW. Why do you play a midlander?

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Not sure what bearing that has on anything. Wanting differentiation between races and cultures precludes someone from playing a midlander?

If anything, the game's combat system makes it closer to WoW than anything else; adopting a design element that allowed Blizzard to differentiate races more would be a positive.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Er, no. I don't like how Roegadyn look. I like beefy men who are classically handsome but not bizarrely proportioned. Highlander men are the sweet spot in terms of physique for me but their lack of eyebrows and the fact that they suffer from a dire case of 'same face' puts me off of them. You keep trying to desperately paint Roegadyn as looking like Pantera as an excuse not to add them. I'm thoroughly confused - since they look nothing alike and you then go on to post a picture that looks exactly like a Miqo'te but with bunny ears instead of cat ears. By your own logic, we shouldn't have bunny men added either.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I want buff bunnies. Like, as ripped as highlanders but taller. Think that would be a good complement to how Viera females look since the race has such a fierce look to it.
Basically my WoL wants to go live with the buff bunnies in the forest please.

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You know what I really get out of this thread . . Highlanders are almost perfect. . Yes... stroke my ego yes... :3

But please don't mention my eyebrows, it brings me shame lol.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think we should step back from the whole, 'well this can be this but I can't make this' argument, as it doesn't add anything and can be turned on its head for both sides.

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Ultimately this though.. Viera shouldn't exist if a lion-like ronso-like, possibly pantera-like, race shouldn't exist due to look-alike options.

True you can't get good bunny ears, but also true that a Roe doesn't make a great lion-race either, and eyebrow paint for highlander looks professionally derpy . . imo. . lol. "it sort of works if you cross your eyes" just isn't good enough sometimes :D haha.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If Hrothgar are added, I wonder if they'll have any speech quirks like the Ronso?

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As long as it isn't as bad as the limsa speech, I know they toned it down a bit but I had to get the out of there when I first arrived and started to do quests . . .

Limsa NPC talks = my eyes slowly rotating up into my skull and my skip button being pounded, I'll check the quest markers to see what I need to do thanks lol.

Although I don't hate that they tried to add flavor in text, personally if it was all voiced I'd be okay with it.. but reading it is just painful XD.


The thing I'm curious about is let's say they do gender lock the race. I'm assuming they're going to give a reason for it.. right? Now if they didn't somehow make it "literally impossible" to have the other gender in lore (which would of course make people really upset), I wonder if they'll announce plans to do something about that lock later. I said that I imagine saying why and what their plan would be if it's locked would disable most of the hate train, but also thinking about it.. what's their plan if they announce a genderlock? I can't believe it's not say why and have no plan to change it lol.

"We're going to lock two races"
Team: "people will be mad, what should we say"
"nothing"
Team: ". . . . okay but when will we unlock it?"
"never"
Team: " . . . . . . . . . . . ?"

Dunno, maybe I sold myself the idea but I just feel that'd be too wild of a ride for Yoshida to take us on lol. At least we should be hearing why and perhaps what will happen.. If it's locked. Although I feel the hype train would go super sonic if it's not locked, what an announcement that'd be lol.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Not sure what bearing that has on anything. Wanting differentiation between races and cultures precludes someone from playing a midlander?

If anything, the game's combat system makes it closer to WoW than anything else; adopting a design element that allowed Blizzard to differentiate races more would be a positive.

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WoW's race intros are MUCH better than FFXIV's imo.... They get you into action and goofy things pretty quickly and each area feels radically different. I still like FFXIV more as a whole of course, that's why I'm here, but just my imo WoW has a better start (if you ignore graphical style).

I mean, midlander have nothing that defines them but being base. I like that all the races in game are treated equal and aren't genderlocked.

I'm actually in the same boat with Midlander - it's the only one I can make 'attractive', the rest I have difficulties finding what I find to be 'cute'. Can't look this handsome on another race - to me anyway. I'm hoping for a change. I would like more pretty/handsome boys. If Hrothgar gives me that, then I'll get over some parts of my prejudice against them - but it's certainly not enough for me to be all for 'genderlocking' them.
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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

I mean, midlander have nothing that defines them but being base. I like that all the races in game are treated equal and aren't genderlocked.

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That's because SE's initial approach to the game was to have the city-states define the cultural differences between each group, rather than tie it to the races; their racial differentiation is very barebones, but this is more so the case with the original races than newer races. A lot of the cultural variation is written into backstory lore. Over time, that's shifted a bit, and now it's more visibly on the forefront, e.g. with Xaela getting their own homeland region - when they were added, such embellishments were backstory. Midlanders just so happen to be the majority in most areas, but Gridania, Hingashi, Doma and some other areas are Midlander enclaves. Granted, in the case of Hingashi, Raen culture had a big influence. I wish they had been given a bigger presence in Hingashi, including with more Raen NPCs, and especially prominent ones. Sui no Sato was pretty and all, but has actually served to create more misconceptions about Raen than any good it has done.

I honestly never liked their approach to this and I believe it makes adding newer races that much harder, and requires all sorts of mental backflips to explain how you could have been one of their number at the beginning. They may have only ever intended to add a very limited number of new races and thus did not see it as an issue at the time.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I'm actually in the same boat with Midlander - it's the only one I can make 'attractive', the rest I have difficulties finding what I find to be 'cute'. Can't look this handsome on another race - to me anyway. I'm hoping for a change. I would like more pretty/handsome boys. If Hrothgar gives me that, then I'll get over some parts of my prejudice against them - but it's certainly not enough for me to be all for 'genderlocking' them.
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You can actually make another two of the options look pretty good, too, but the derplander face has the greatest hotness potential to it.

Last time I was here, the topic just hit the 100th page, and now we have 228 pages

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

I mean, midlander have nothing that defines them but being base. I like that all the races in game are treated equal and aren't genderlocked.

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They're easily defined by having the broadest range of customisation options. They can be designed to look very unique and distinct compared to their brethren...whereas every other race suffers terribly from the dreaded 'same face' syndrome to various degrees. I also don't find any of the playable races to be particularly interesting in the context of the MSQ's. They're all forced to step in line and adhere to Eorzea's values, even if they're meant to be from a distant continent. It's all very dull and also why I predict Viera will be equally disappointing when they're inevitably forced to make the switch from fierce protectors of the forest to standing around giggling in Limsa and Ul'dah. Which is...apparently what a lot of those advocating for them to be added seem to want over them actually having some depth to them.

I'm glad in this game you're not told how to interact with the world just because of you're visual preferences. Like how I love the Raen look but I'm not super into Asian culture. I also don't like the racism that comes from games like GW2 and WoW. Do you celebrate the fact that male Viera and(probably) female Hrothgar aren't playable because of lore and their culture?

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

I'm glad in this game you're not told how to interact with the world just because of you're visual preferences. Like how I love the Raen look but I'm not super into Asian culture. I also don't like the racism that comes from games like GW2 and WoW.

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Cultural differentiation is not 'racism'. You're not forced to do anything - it's more how the game world reacts to you as a member of a given race, which is realistic.

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Do you celebrate the fact that male Viera and(probably) female Hrothgar aren't playable because of lore and their culture?

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See, that's the funny thing - despite having greater distinctiveness in its races, WoW never gender-locked races for such silly reasons. There is very little lore in FFXIV that directly lends itself to a gender-lock, particularly since none is applied with regard to male Keepers.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

I'm glad in this game you're not told how to interact with the world just because of you're visual preferences. Like how I love the Raen look but I'm not super into Asian culture. I also don't like the racism that comes from games like GW2 and WoW. Do you celebrate the fact that male Viera and(probably) female Hrothgar aren't playable because of lore and their culture?

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What do you mean by racism? Because there is racism in FFXIV in terms of FFXIV races, and if you mean real life racism then I'm jumping ship on that conversation lol. I actually like in game racism as a counter point, but I do respect that you want to have a high level of freedom to interact with the world (not told how to exist). To me it's more fun to watch races make off handed comments or direct ones to others, and not necessarily straight to me.

Anyway, FFXIV has plenty of in game prejudice :3

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

I'm glad in this game you're not told how to interact with the world just because of you're visual preferences. Like how I love the Raen look but I'm not super into Asian culture. I also don't like the racism that comes from games like GW2 and WoW. Do you celebrate the fact that male Viera and(probably) female Hrothgar aren't playable because of lore and their culture?

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Cultural differences are fascinating and are to be celebrated as far as I'm concerned. I don't need fantasy settings to adhere to modern day values and erode away any differences that serve to make different cultures distinct. Racism as a plot device also doesn't bother me, since I recognise the difference between fiction and reality.

The racism I'm talking about is the ingame slurs characters use against other races. A Charr would say "Why are we taking orders from rats and talking cabbages?" an Orc would say "These elves don't belong to the REAL Horde!" and so on.

Wow, you two like racism in your games when it affect people irl. I'll give up and just block.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

The racism I'm talking about is the ingame slurs characters use against other races. A Charr would say "Why are we taking orders from rats and talking cabbages?" an Orc would say "These elves don't belong to the REAL Horde!" and so on.

Wow, you two like racism in your games when it affect people irl. I'll give up and just block.

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Please give the concern trolling a rest. I honestly grow rather tired of people who can't tell the difference between reality and fiction and try and turn everything into some moral crusade premised on their feigned outrage on behalf of others in regards to a word applied so broadly so as to have become useless semantically. Block away, though, I'm sure you'll have won some great victory in your mind over teh ebul waycists.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

The racism I'm talking about is the ingame slurs characters use against other races. A Charr would say "Why are we taking orders from rats and talking cabbages?" an Orc would say "These elves don't belong to the REAL Horde!" and so on.

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I don't have an issue with such things. It isn't real and adds depth to the setting. Many stories would be terribly boring if they embraced black and white morality. Furthermore, in some cases there are very good reasons for bad blood to exist between different fantasy races. As Shougun stated, FFXIV does not shy away from exploring such themes either.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

Wow, you two like racism in your games when it affect people irl. I'll give up and just block.

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That wasn't at all what I said, though feel free to do just that. You're clearly struggling to grasp nuances and are seemingly oblivious to the sort of themes that FFXIV frequently explores. Fictional settings do not need to reaffirm your every real world belief to be interesting and successful. To imply otherwise is the equivalent of modern day book burning in regards to eroding away depth and creativity. It's perfectly possible to find racism abhorrent in the real world but find it interesting in the context of a fictional setting if it brings solid storytelling to the table. Flawed characters are fascinating.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

The racism I'm talking about is the ingame slurs characters use against other races. A Charr would say "Why are we taking orders from rats and talking cabbages?" an Orc would say "These elves don't belong to the REAL Horde!" and so on.

Wow, you two like racism in your games when it affect people irl. I'll give up and just block.

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Lmao, this is off topic. But I actually did enjoy the prejudice of being an Elf Mage in Dragonage, which was riddled with racism and the likes, I got extra dialogue just for being a different race as well as a mage. It adds reality, depth, grittiness and of course, you feel triumph when you overcome it. Not sure what the big deal is here, as someone of colour who has faced racism as part as growing up - really not seeing your point guy.

As an add on, I enjoyed being an alien/slave in SWTOR during certain quests while being part of the Empire, just for the satisfaction of slapping 'prejudice sith' and wiping the floor with them. Or being a Dunmer in Skyrim. People, enjoy this... doesn't matter what colour. It's not racist to enjoy the drama and to feel that satisfaction of besting it.

I hope we get more of this drama as time goes on and we inch closer to the Empire.

Best to step off the white knight path on this one.

Art imitates life and its dumb and boring either way. Yay genderlock

It has yet to be confirmed as to whether or not there will actually be a gender lock in place. We do not get a definite answer until late March.

Anyway, back to the topic of bunny men...

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

Wow, you two like racism in your games when it affect people irl. I'll give up and just block.

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Assuming both that this wasn't meant to be some gotcha/troll attempt and you haven't blocked me consider it this way:

In game you kill lots and lots and lots of people.

I ask what you like to do, and you say combat in this game is great.

I respond "wow you like to murder things? blocked".

Fictional racism against fictional entities cannot equate exactly to real life racism without some CATASTROPHIC concerns in a massive amount of areas. It's a game and if it can't be treated as a game then the logic that protects one element must fail for many many others, unless there is a element of not thinking the whole process through or an element dishonesty.

You see these arguments against sexy or violent things all the time, and at least as a "gamer" I find it a bit frustrating because honest logic will not flow from that argument unless they're wielding it incredibly consistently (which almost no one is on this issue "ripping spine out or running down innocents in a car game okay, boobs not okay that's a moral issue!" yeh.. okey lol). Or you can kill people but you can't kill animals (PETA had a thing way back when with whales in an assassins creed pirate game), if killing the animals is an issue then we have a much larger issue first.. which is killing people.

Alternatively you could just be yanking our chain. . . XD.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

Art imitates life and its dumb and boring either way. Yay genderlock

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Genderlock is not confirmed, neither is Hrothgar technically lol.

It could be Viera male and female and no Hrothgar :O

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I also don't find any of the playable races to be particularly interesting in the context of the MSQ's. They're all forced to step in line and adhere to Eorzea's values, even if they're meant to be from a distant continent. It's all very dull and also why I predict Viera will be equally disappointing when they're inevitably forced to make the switch from fierce protectors of the forest to standing around giggling in Limsa and Ul'dah. Which is...apparently what a lot of those advocating for them to be added seem to want over them actually having some depth to them.

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The pirates of the east are still pirates, they just help us because it benefits them in the long run. The Xaela joined the alliance because we played their king of the mountain game and won. Theres nothing implying that they’re all going to drop their lifestyle, Cirina even mentions that Magnai/the Oronir are already training for the next lizard brawl if you speak to her when she and the other Eastern representatives visit Doma. We're at the tail end of SB and Hingans are still isolationist while Suncat still live in tribes. Theres not a whole lot pointing to Viera completely dumping the idea of protecting their forest en masse, unless you mean people's individual characters. If thats the case, RPers are gonna RP. Someone's bunny be could a guerrilla warefare specialist aiding the Resistance in hopes to let things go back to the old fashioned separate-but-coexisting ways of Dalmasca. Or they could be an aspiring popstar who escaped the woods to live somewhere livelier and wear frilly clothes while waving glowsticks :cool:

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Assuming both that this wasn't meant to be some gotcha/troll attempt and you haven't blocked me consider it this way:

In game you kill lots and lots and lots of people.

I ask what you like to do, and you say combat in this game is great.

I respond "wow you like to murder things? blocked".

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It's become the modern-day equivalent of yelling 'heretic', tbh, and I notice the outrage about it is always very selective and one-directional, with instances that don't fit certain narratives conveniently brushed under the carpet and rationalised away. So I struggle to really take comments like his seriously, especially when used to stymie such differences in a game, where they add to what makes it interesting. And yeah, apparently much worse than the killing sprees you go on as the WoL.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I'm actually in the same boat with Midlander - it's the only one I can make 'attractive', the rest I have difficulties finding what I find to be 'cute'. Can't look this handsome on another race - to me anyway. I'm hoping for a change. I would like more pretty/handsome boys. If Hrothgar gives me that, then I'll get over some parts of my prejudice against them - but it's certainly not enough for me to be all for 'genderlocking' them.
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Oh, that is a very handsome hyur. :o makes me want to fantasia

I just hope whatever we get has good facial hair options.