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Additional info on upcoming combo system

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。
コンボについて少し補足させてください。
Hello,
Let me add little more regarding Combo system.

• コンボ条件
  追加効果の「スタン」、「ディスペル」などが敵にレジストされても、コンボ条件のアクションが適正位置からヒットすれば、コンボ条件は満たしていることになります。
  Combo Condition
  Even if the additional effect such as "Stun" or "Despell" gets resisted, if the combo condition's combo is hit from correct position it will count successful combo condition (can go into next combo action)
• コンボは1人で成立
  コンボは自分一人で成立させていくものとなります。他PCと連携できませんが、パーティバトル中に、他PCのアクションで自PCのコンボが妨げられることはありません。
  Combo to be completed solo
  Combo will be completed by yourself, it cannot be linked with other PC; and also your own combo wont be disturbed/affected by other PC's action

引き続きフィードバックなどありましたらお寄せ下さい。
Please let us know if you have any other feedbacks

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I love the info Foxclon provides :3

Cool Info! By the way does the JP Side have any Questions/Info/Answers on The "New" Battle Regimen System or Combo system for parties(2 or more people)?

What that makes no sense if the combo effect is stun of dispell and it's resisted its still considered successful.. huh ?

Edit:- Oh ok nevermind i made sense of it.

Basically if the effect is resisted the combo chain is not broken.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

What that makes no sense if the combo effect is stun of dispell and it's resisted its still considered successful.. huh ?

Is he talking about damage ?

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As long as the actual spell/ws lands it is considered successful yes.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

What that makes no sense if the combo effect is stun of dispell and it's resisted its still considered successful.. huh ?

Is he talking about damage ?

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I believe the Stun or Dispel or whatever it is are only "Additional Effects" and what matters(In the Combo) is the whether it hits or misses/done correctly(Combo Move/WS).

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Originally Posted by Anima

Cool Info! By the way does the JP Side have any Questions/Info/Answers on The "New" Battle Regimen System or Combo system for parties(2 or more people)?

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Nothing, no info/ q/a on that one yet.

...lol there is one thread on the JP side Crafters are useful in Ifrit battle!

cannon-arm? dunno English name of that move but says once you get inside have one person switch to crafter and use that action to stun ifrit and will work even if it does 0 damage... lol

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クリムゾンサイクロンのためにジャンプしたイフリートにキャノン打ちしたら、しばらく降りてこなかったのが面白かったです。
It was funny where Ifrit didn't come down for some time when using cannon right after Ifrit jumps to use crimson cyclone

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It apparently stuns Ifrit for about 5 seconds and the action is 100% hit lol

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

...lol there is one thread on the JP side Crafters are useful in Ifrit battle!

cannon-arm? dunno English name of that move but says once you get inside have one person switch to crafter and use that action to stun ifrit and will work even if it does 0 damage... lol

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Wrist Flick?

Oh Wrist flick? lol

Rock Beats Ifrit? He's like an untrained dog lol. That's pretty amusing though, I can imagine while they will most likely nerf that but they might also restrict the ability to change classes in a battlefield or at least make it impossible to change to hand/land. Since with Ifrit you need to be a DoM/DoW I guess they never considered the possibility of someone being bored enough to go on a DoL/DoH once inside and throwing the stun attack lol.

Lol yeah I heard that one, sounds {fun}

LOL they haven't fixed wrist flick on bosses yet ?

I brought up Wrist Flick months ago, it even got a Dev. response (I think it was the Gatherer Q&A). They commented that it was "scaled" differently, I guess not.

It can help with Hellfire for groups bad and desperate enough for the need to bypass it, but if you can't get past hellfire you probably can't get past last phase either unless he just decides to dash every 10 seconds.

Needs to be dealt with, of course, but it's really not enough to give bad players consecutive wins.

The combos they set up for Gladiator to use in a solo situation annoy me. Two of them require you to stun a monster so that they won't turn as you're setting up for the other ability, that is if you want the additional affect to land.

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GLA WS 1 Melee attack. Damage increased when executed from in front of the target.
　∟GLA WS 3 Melee attack.
Combo: GLA WS 1 Bonus: Increased damage.
　　　∟GLA WS 4 O Melee attack. Chance to inflict a DoT effect when executed from behind the target.
Combo: GLA WS 3, Bonus: Increased DoT.

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GLA WS 5 O Ranged attack. Defense decreased when executed from behind the target.
　∟GLA WS 6 O Fivefold attack with low accuracy.
Combo: GLA WS 5, Bonus: Increased accuracy.

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I don't see how you can viably get these off in a solo situation because shield bash counts as its own WS and I would assume it would interrupt both of these combos. Even then these are kind of silly combos. Does SE think people are going to be using Gladiator in a damage dealing capacity for parties or end game?

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Originally Posted by Orophin

The combos they set up for Gladiator to use in a solo situation annoy me. Two of them require you to stun a monster so that they won't turn as you're setting up for the other ability, that is if you want the additional affect to land.



I don't see how you can viably get these off in a solo situation because shield bash counts as its own WS and I would assume it would interrupt both of these combos. Does SE really think that a lot of people are going to be using Gladiator in a damage dealing capacity?

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You should probably test it yourself when the patch comes! :D

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Does SE think people are going to be using Gladiator in a damage dealing capacity for parties or end game?

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SE thinks that dealing some damage is a good way to build hate.

Position only matters for the combo bonus. You can still do it all from one position, you just won't get the bonus. Yet another incentive for party play. Well played, SE.

Edit: oops. Didn't realize this was the translate thread. Too many tabs open. Lets move this discussion elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

SE thinks that dealing some damage is a good way to build hate.

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My point was as a tank (or solo) I'm NEVER going to be doing combos that require me to be behind the enemy to get the bonus.

Yoshi-P specifically said you would need to get behind the enemy solo by stunning and most likely meant this. Shield bash could simply become a regular ability instead of a WS so it wouldn't break combos. The self-combo is kinda the whole point they were stressing that Gladiator would have an easier time soloing so there's obviously something you will be able to do to get behind an enemy.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

My point was as a tank (or solo) I'm NEVER going to be doing combos that require me to be behind the enemy to get the bonus.

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GLA WS 1 Melee attack. Damage increased when executed from in front of the target.
　∟GLA WS 2 Melee attack. Combo: GLA WS 1, Bonus: Increased enmity.

Block
　∟GLA WS 8 O Self AoE Increases enmity of all enemies within range. Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.

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Good thing there are combos you can do staying in front of the enemy, too. Oh, wait... these combos also give an enmity bonus when performed as well? Silly dev team, I wonder why they set it up like that...

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Good thing there are combos you can do staying in front of the enemy, too. Oh, wait... these combos also give an enmity bonus when performed as well? Silly dev team, I wonder why they set it up like that...

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because they think not having a few handy Taunts or Provokes ESPECIALLY as oh sh*t buttons is a fantasmic idea?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

because they think not having a few handy Taunts or Provokes ESPECIALLY as oh sh*t buttons is a fantasmic idea?

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Provoke

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GLA Abl. 6 Increases target's enmity. Traits may trigger an AoE and a chance to inflict Blind.

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Disorient? (MRD-voke)

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MRD Abl. 1 Increases target enmity. Traits may trigger a chance to reduce target's attack power.

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War Drum?

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GLA Abl. 3 Self AoE Temporarily increases the defense of all party members within range. Generates massive enmity.

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Read.

I can do this all day... but let's end it here, given this is not a discussion thread.

FFS people, I'm sick of checking this thread and seeing nothing but arguments/discussions, there's been all of ONE translation post in the past THREE PAGES, take your shit somewhere else.

People were asking how are players supposed to know which WS or Magic to connect the combo and here's rep's response to that one.

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Originally Posted by Mocchi

こんにちは。
Hello,

コンボを発動させようとした場合、次にどのWSや魔法を使用すれば良いかがわかりづらいという点については、アクションバーのアイコンの表示を工夫し、視認性を上げるように検討しています。
Regarding when it's hard to understand which WS or Magic to use next in a combo;
We're looking into making visibility better in the action bar icons by changing icon display.

パッチ1.20でというのはちょっと厳しいかもしれませんが、できるだけ早く実装できるよう準備を進めていますので、少々お待ちください。
Might be hard for 1.20 but we're preparing so we can implement this as soon as possible so please hang in there

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

People were asking how are players supposed to know which WS or Magic to connect the combo and here's rep's response to that one.

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I'm thinking the same yellow border that's used to select which action you use (the one added in 1.18a) could turn blue over any possible actions that can combo from the previously used action. Either that, or have the icons themselves flash a different color to help ppl do their combos.

If there wasn't anything implemented in the patch to make this stand out I was just going to line up my abilities in the order that they would chain on my action bar.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

If there wasn't anything implemented in the patch to make this stand out I was just going to line up my abilities in the order that they would chain on my action bar.

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Or this right here could work as well (if not better) :D

Info from YoshiP regarding Ifrit (Hyper) drop

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。
Producer/Director Yoshida here,

真イフリート討滅戦のレアドロップですが、討伐回数の積み重ねによる、
希望武器入手方法の追加をパッチ1.20で行います。
Regarding Ifrit (Hyper) rare drop; we will add a new method to obtain requested weapon by amount Ifrit has been defeated in 1.20 (taking down Ifrit)

レアドロップした武器そのものを戦利品ボックスに入れる案も、
もちろん検討しましたが（種火を持つプレイヤーのみ権利を持つ）、
その後の「誰がどの武器を得るか」で、話し合いをしている最中に、
考えたくはありませんが、沈黙での即ルート行為が発生する可能性があります。
（1.20で/randomも実装しますが）
We of course looked into having the rare drop weapon going into loot pool (to those that has the key item) but when players are talking after which weapon should go to who, although I don't want to think about it, there may be a possibility someone taking it silently. (We will implement /random in 1.20 too)

新生ではそもそもアイテムの分配について、NEED/GREED/PASSの仕組みを導入するのですが、
現状では痛し痒しな状態です。ご迷惑をおかけします。
In 2.0 for item distribution we are implementing a NEED/GREED/PASS system but with current system that is not possible; sorry for the trouble.

そこでスレ主さんの案と同じになりますが、報酬武器のドロップ確率や個別宝箱は維持し、
権利を持つプレイヤーには報酬武器のドロップ抽選の他に、
一定確率で「報酬武器との交換用アイテム」がドロップするようになります。
これは戦利品ボックスに入れますので、受け渡しも可能です。
（しっかり/randomを使って頂くことや、譲り合いに期待します）
この交換用アイテムを一定数集めることで、特定NPCが望む報酬武器と交換してくれるようになります。
Just like OP's idea we will keep the drop rate and still keep the individual treasure chest but aside from weapon dropping as a chest reward there will be chance where you may be able to obtain an item which you can trade to get the reward; This item will go into loot box so it's possible to give/receive.
(Hoping people use the /random and compromise)
By collecting amount of this trading item you will be able to trade for the weapon you wanted through NPC

この仕組みは今後実装を予定している蛮神バトルすべてに同一ルールが適用されます。
（仕様が調整される場合、同じように他の蛮神バトルも調整されます）
もちろん、それぞれ実装時期により、ベースとなるドロップ確率や、
交換に必要なアイテム数は異なりますので、ご注意ください。
This will be applied to all future Primal Battles.
(If the system is going to be modified other primal battles will also be modified)
And depending on release timing the drop rate and amount of item required will vary so please be careful.

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So basically

1. They will implement /random in 1.20
2. No loot box for the weapons, instead you will have chance a new item will drop which goes to loot box and can be given/received and by collecting certain amount of that and taking it to a NPC you will get the weapon you desire.
3. Depending on new/old primal they will change the amount of that item required to trade (older primal battle will get lesser requirement, new primal battles will require more - is my guess)

Hopefully the Need/Greed/Pass system is better refined, since at present implementation in MMOs all it does is guarantee those who can't even use the item will be passed over automatically, but it doesn't guarantee who needs it will actually get it, because everyone could "need" it just to get it. Just dumping it into a loot pool like FFXI or other XIV fights does the same thing honestly.

What is /random?

From your translation it sounds as if a Weapon may drop, plus a chance at a special item drop for trade. Am I reading that correctly?

Interesting .

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

What is /random?

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In FFXI you typed /random and it would roll a dice for you in the sense:

Player 1 randoms a 728
Player 2 randoms a 882
Player 3 randoms a 242
Player 4 randoms a 10 (we all been there lol)
Player 5 randoms a 993
player 6 randoms a 998 (always one >.>)

So if you set the rules that highest random/lot wins, you'll give it to player 6. It's a numerical display for dice rolling, much like casting lots. That's just in terms of Square's previous FF MMO. Some MMOs does it differently.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

What is /random?

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One of the most annoying features in XI.

Glad they're redoing the drop system for Ifrit. Nearing 70 kills and all I got are 3 bows, 3 swords, 2 claws, 2 canes, and 1 cudgul when all I wanted was the Lance/Axe >.>

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

What is /random?

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Text command that generates a random number on screen. Often used in FFXI when a drop could be used by multiple people to determine who gets it.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

From your translation it sounds as if a Weapon may drop, plus a chance at a special item drop for trade. Am I reading that correctly?

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That's how it reads to me. Think the key item that drops from the avatar battles in FF11, except it'll be an item that goes into loot pool. Then you take it back to an NPC and you get the item you actually want. I imagine this'll still be pretty rare so that people don't get every weapon within a week though.

Less important post from YoshiP on /cheer YoshiP thread.
Well one good info in the end... w

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。
Producer/Director Yoshida here,

皆さん、ご心配ありがとうございます。
Thank you every one for worrying

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Originally Posted by sakanatokaeru

休日返上でゲーム開発に携わっている熱意あるスタッフが、「やっつけ仕事」「適当に決めたとしか思えない」などの言葉を受けて、無力感に打 ちひしがれ、あるいは諦めを感じ、これ以上この仕事を続ける意義も意気も失ってしまわないか、ということです。
I hope the hard working staff don't lose their hope to continue working because of some people saying stuff like "decided without even thinking" or "just put in to fill in" (Some saying the action list was done without even thinking hard, just something done quickly to present to the players.)

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もし意図が実装上で御伝えできなかった場合、それは我々の力足らず、もしくはミスですし、
その場合はしっかり意図が御伝えできるよう、継続してテコ入れするのも我々の責任です。
できるだけ「意図」をお話しするのが、吉田の役割でもあるのですが、
どうしてもその瞬間にはまだ、言えないことも出てきてしまうのも事実です。
（できるだけ無くすように、努力は続けますが）
If the idea's mentioned cannot be delivered when implemented that is our miss and in that case we will continue making changes to make sure the idea can be delivered. It's my role to talk about the "idea" but at that time it's true that there are things I can't talk about. (Will keep on trying so this wont happen as much)

言い訳したくなることもあります（人間ですもの）。
ですが、お客様には関係のないことが多いですし、
そこはグッと我慢するのも、プロデューサなのかなと（笑）
There are times I want to give excuses (I'm a human too)
but in most cases it has nothing to do with the customer and as a producer that's something I have to hold back (laugh)

時々めげることもありますが、
「よし、さあ、プレイヤーにしっかり伝わるように、ガシガシアップデートするぞ！」と、
開発一同、モチベーション高く頑張れていますので、ご安心ください :)
There are times when we're disheartened but all dev staff are saying "OK, lets make updates so players can feel it!" and have high motivation and working hard so please don't worry.

P.S.
あ、書き忘れましたが木曜日には、パッチ1.20の進捗について、
プロデューサーレターを公開させて頂く予定です。間隔が空いてしまってゴメンナサイ。
Oh forgot to write but on Thursday (JP time) planning to post producer letter with current progress of 1.20. Sorry there was some gap (timing)

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Good information - Current progress of Patch 1.20 on Thursdays (JP time) producer letter :)

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Hopefully the Need/Greed/Pass system is better refined, since at present implementation in MMOs all it does is guarantee those who can't even use the item will be passed over automatically, but it doesn't guarantee who needs it will actually get it, because everyone could "need" it just to get it. Just dumping it into a loot pool like FFXI or other XIV fights does the same thing honestly.

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There is no difference in FFXI's loot system, everyone can cast lot. It's the same thing.

edit :Lol totally read that wrong sorry, but yeah i hope they can refine in a way to can priority loots maybe before the fights even begin.