Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

It's simple. You either have to accept and tolerate that there is this one rule, that falls under the gray line of different play style, and can be enforced at any given time without any punishment or consequences. Or you have to start doing something about that.

In other words, if someone wants to kick the healer for not dps'ing, dismiss that healer, but make sure you're dismissing that dps as well if he/she isn't even close to the damage output they should be doing.

There should be no excuses anymore regardless what job/role someone is playing. Everybody entering the DF/RF/PF should be treated the same. Maybe after we did a 3 month witch hunt, punishing every dps that doesn't perform in DF, the same as they would in a static, we can return to being civil.

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This! So much this... +1

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

To oversimplify, you (as well as the others) are cherrypicking.

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Oh. My. Gods. I love you. <33333

Laughing is good for the soul and body.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Except, it isn't. The difference being. I don't need them in PotD. I can legit do everything on my own. In a dungeon or raid one can't do that. Run off to solo pulls and you'll just die.

Overwatch would be a VERY poor example. Overwatch is a competitive pvp game. They have to do both with that character or you'll likely lose the match.

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Good thing they're getting rid of accuracy. Maybe it'll help some people actually getting the point.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

To oversimplify, you (as well as the others) are cherrypicking.

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How are you not cherry picking?
You are using implications like they are fact. :B
You are trying to compare Yoshi-P's implications against the concrete words of the GM, imply they have the same implications and gravity.
You are trying to assert that there is some kind of implied agreement every time a person queues for the DF.
You imply that the difference between Casual and Hardcore gameplay is the ability to not have to contribute fully to a run.
What actual facts have you contributed to this argument?

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Originally Posted by TamurilRains

I hope both the pot and the kettle are dealing damage too! XD

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So long as they both give an honest effort, I am happy!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The problem is that you don't seem to be aware that the childish part isn't really the gloating, but the attitude you and others describe and support in what is ultimately a game.

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My only point in this whole discussion is I want people to try, try your best to contribute what you can if you have the tools I want you to use them, if me and the rest of the party are all in agreement that a refusal to use the tools of your job (in this case the DPS spells) is a detriment to our decided strategy then I would vote to kick you and in the terms of service I am allowed to do so,

I don't think not wanting to play with people who are Refusing to contribute more than a very basic minimum is a bad attitude, I do not enjoy mediocrity especially when teammates are expressing a desire for someone to do more.

And mind you, if within a party my opinion is the minority I have no problem letting things continue as that would be the decided strategy of the majority of the party.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

It's simple. You either have to accept and tolerate that there is this one rule, that falls under the gray line of different play style, and can be enforced at any given time without any punishment or consequences. Or you have to start doing something about that.

In other words, if someone wants to kick the healer for not dps'ing, dismiss that healer, but make sure you're dismissing that dps as well if he/she isn't even close to the damage output they should be doing.

There should be no excuses anymore regardless what job/role someone is playing. Everybody entering the DF/RF/PF should be treated the same. Maybe after we did a 3 month witch hunt, punishing every dps that doesn't perform in DF, the same as they would in a static, we can return to being civil.

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There should be a thread on every single job and which "failures to play optimally" the community agrees are sufficient reason to kick them. As you say, perhaps this could hasten a return to civility and realistic expectation, once everyone not playing a particular job weighed in how that job should be played optimally, under all circumstances.

Pretty sure a good chunk of the NIN, BRD and DRG I have played with are going to be in big trouble if said reqs ever get published.

EDIT - if a dmg parser ever becomes part of the official UI...look out. DPS will be living in a whole new era of "you suck" accountability.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

It's sad you don't value your own time or the time of others.

Setting that aside, yeah, I'll take a healer that dps's and we wipe a time or 2 over one that heals flawlessly with 0 dps basically every time. I do not value your capability to fill a bar every 15 seconds particularly highly. If for no other reason than at least the healer who does damage is actually putting forth an effort which is something I do value.

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I value my time enough to notice a lost cause when I see one, I'm bored now. Enjoy your God complex.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

You are trying to compare Yoshi-P's implications against the concrete words of the GM, imply they have the same implications and gravity.

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This is the moment where you confirm that you are completely incapable of comprehending reality. To claim that a GM's statement takes precedence over the literal game director's statement... whew buddy.

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