How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

Yeah, I'm not exactly fond of the extra cheesing of shooting Geirskoguls at stuff you're not killing for the sake of the parse. I do it if it's readily accessible, but I'm not gonna risk wiping to pad my dps by a tiny bit more.

And the only changes I'd want to see to dragoon is making Jumps actually aerial attacks that can:
1. change your elevation
2. jump *over* ground aoes

That's basically it. I love the class as it is currently and can't really think of anything I'd want changed aside from obviously broken changes like BL being 120s rather than 180...

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Originally Posted by JackFross

And the only changes I'd want to see to dragoon is making Jumps actually aerial attacks that can:
1. change your elevation
2. jump *over* ground aoes

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I'd like a Geirskogul buff as well, like Power Surge for jumps.

And I forgot to come here to tell you all but we cleared A1S. ¿My glorious dps? 1082 or something like that. I died after the adds before the 3rd jump (yup, they jumped trice), because my laser was cornered and both Oppressor aimed at me... Same party config (pld, war, sch, whm, drg, drg, blm, smn), the only thing that changed is me having food, shitty food from the msq XD
Another "bad" thing that happened was OT killing one of the first alarum on the flank of Oppresor. The flank opposite to the flank covered in resin. I asked him not to, twice. So no positionals for me and the other goon, except Chaos and Wheeling Thrust. And we all know Wheeling won't proc in this situation because that's not favorable to RNGesus getting his offerings XD
Faust was 1632 for me, I was top. I was content with that number.

PS: still not proud

Hello, I have an A3S question about cooldowns, specifically cooldowns in phase 2. Right now I'm popping blood for blood twice during that phase even though that pretty much means I can't use it while the hands are together (or at least not much). Am I correct in assuming this is more dps overall than saving blood for blood for the moment I can dps the hands together but only being able to use it once in that phase or not?

edit: similarly, what's the best use for battle litany? checking logs I see some people using it on the add phase (as it comes back up then) but some save it to start phase 4 with

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Originally Posted by Ash_Smokespear

Hello, I have an A3S question about cooldowns, specifically cooldowns in phase 2. Right now I'm popping blood for blood twice during that phase even though that pretty much means I can't use it while the hands are together (or at least not much). Am I correct in assuming this is more dps overall than saving blood for blood for the moment I can dps the hands together but only being able to use it once in that phase or not?

edit: similarly, what's the best use for battle litany? checking logs I see some people using it on the add phase (as it comes back up then) but some save it to start phase 4 with

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It's hard for me to exactly say how it's best for you to use it, but I'm assuming you end P1 with a Disembowel and start P3 with Chaos Thrust? If this is the case, I delay my BFB for a few GCD (2 if I remember correctly), so it is used before Phlebotomize, I also do not use GK at all during the single hand phase (which may or may not be the best course of action). Using BFB like this gives me approximately 5 seconds of BFB left after the second wash-away, at which point I elusive Jump + GK both hands. This is now a 200*1.3*2 Potency skill. You should also be using an Impulse Drive right before the second wash away, so you have a Disembowel up for the hand which you attack (I personally switch to a newer hand).

The 2nd BFB is up again right after hand of pain, so just blow all of your GKs on double hands and there's absolutely no point using a Phlebotomize at this point (I need to math it out). If your group is baiting the hands (Hand Clap to Bro Fist), you can finish P2 with 1.5k -> 1.6k very easily.

As for Litany, I've experimented with it quite a lot. I personally save it and use it when I have my potion and everything else, which I use after Ferrofluids on P3. I still can't decide what's better...

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Yeah, I'm not exactly fond of the extra cheesing of shooting Geirskoguls at stuff you're not killing for the sake of the parse. I do it if it's readily accessible, but I'm not gonna risk wiping to pad my dps by a tiny bit more.

And the only changes I'd want to see to dragoon is making Jumps actually aerial attacks that can:
1. change your elevation
2. jump *over* ground aoes

That's basically it. I love the class as it is currently and can't really think of anything I'd want changed aside from obviously broken changes like BL being 120s rather than 180...

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Bolded. Too OP.

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

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Cool, this was quite helpful thanks! Yes I end P1 with disembowel. I like the idea of popping a geirskogul on the hands when they split, so far I've been using one geirskogul on the 'single hand' part, then holding the rest for the two hands. I also switch to a different hand after hopping back on the second wash away as I think/hope having dots ticking on both is better than going ham on the same one I was already hitting before.

Should I be able to pop more than one GK on both hands during the second b4b? I'll have to practise a bit more in that case, think our tanks are usually pulling them apart again by the time it comes up again.

Well. If your Group is baiting the hands, the hands should be together for an additional 4-5 GCDs, which means yes, you should be able to fit in another GK + BFB on hand split.

Our group doesn't bait the hands, so it's a bit of luck for me :P If I don't get a Hand Clap after the DPS Check, I can't fit an x2 GK and it'll be a single one instead... But I'm thinking of skipping Phlebotomize all together during that phase. Especially with me rocking 691 SS on A3S now, I should comfortably get x4 GKs.

@Jack, I want the same as you lmao. jump over aoes ezpz. and also reduce the damn BL cd XD

A3S stuffs.

Battle Litany is kinda flexible. You'll get 4 shots in the course of an 11-12 minute fight. If your group kills it in 10 or less, you'll have less flexibility, because you absolutely DO wanna get 4 casts of BL. Using it on cooldown, you end up using 1 on pull, 1 for adds, 1 for the first hand, and 1 around the second hand, but a phase or two before it. I usually will hold that last BL for the second hand, since no real reason not to. The important thing to note is that, with a shortened fight duration, if you're only gonna get 2 BLs in the final phase *anyway* you might as well pop one for adds.

Phase 2 re:Geirskogul and B4B - I like to use my B4B as soon as it comes up and get 1 gsk under that initial shot. I can usually get 6 gsk in phase 2, with a total of 10 hits between them all (1 on initial hand, 4 on double, 1 after hop split). All counted together, it's 4 under B4B, 6 without. I worry that holding your first gsk for such a long time in p2 is gonna drastically cut down on how many you get in the phase and overall lower your dps, since the hands split around 45 seconds into the phase, which is already a significant portion of your BotD that you're throwing away because you wanna wait for double hands.

Isn't it also a little risky/not that good an idea to delay B4B like that and then lose a gcd of B4B to the wash away as well as lose however many gcds you delayed at the end of the phase, as well? My B4B wears off just before second wash and comes back just at the end of HoP, allowing for a B4B DFD+gsk on the double hands almost every time.

The ideal situation is to have an AST who feeds you a spear just as p2 starts, obviously. :P


AND YES. So OP. That's why I want it. ;-;

So as a drg that lb's the third leg do I pop my cds after or during dolls?

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Originally Posted by JackFross

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Thanks, nice to get multiple opinions here. We haven't cleared A3S yet, only last week saw the 'whole' fight (technically not the whole fight since we didn't see the enrage but we were at the second rotation of the last part with the bubbles moving about) so I guess I have some leeway in when to pop BL. I'll have to experiment in phase 2 a bit to see what works best for me with regards to B4B and GK. I'm usually ending that phase around 1.3k dps on average, not using potions as of yet until we meet the enrage.

After the add phase, should I pop everything during that first cascade with the risk that ferrofluid kills several seconds of my uptime?