Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

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Originally Posted by Marylain

It's about being able to catch old players and to be able to play with everyone on the same conditions.

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Nerfs happens for two reasons nowadays :
- Lack of players to actually do the content (which is not the problem on FFXIV really)
- Lazyness of the mass not whiling to put some effort into doing things.

And still it's just a freakin excuse to actually get past some content people dont wanna lose time on.
People just gonna get throught lightning fast, and then complain they get bored cause of the weekly lockout/unique drop.
The more easy you can clear stuff/gear, the more people are gonna go for it, as simple as that, most of them dont even care about playing with 'old players' anyway.

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Originally Posted by LunahLeih

Nerfs happens for two reasons nowadays :
- Lack of players to actually do the content (which is not the problem on FFXIV really)
- Lazyness of the mass not whiling to put some effort into doing things.

And still it's just a freakin excuse to actually get past some content people dont wanna lose time on.
People just gonna get throught lightning fast, and then complain they get bored cause of the weekly lockout/unique drop.
The more easy you can clear stuff/gear, the more people are gonna go for it, as simple as that, most of them dont even care about playing with 'old players' anyway.

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Exactly, this is entirely an instant gratification thing and nothing else. I personally enjoy that I still have things I can work toward. I would be disappointed if I had completed everything at this point and just waited for resets or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Amused

People here seem to be so blinded by their sense of entitlement that they completely neglect that Relic is not content that was made for them. They also neglect that Atma being tied to FATEs was intentionally done to help older players help new players with leveling by having more people roaming the world doing FATEs.

It's sad because these people crying for SE to nerf it are trying to imply that people in favor of the current system are being "selfish" or whatever but totally ignore how self-absorbed their own motives are.

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What? Who are you to assume that? Oh god I'm not sure weather to laugh or direct you back to your troll bridge where you belong. Stop it already. Just Stop DAMMIT. YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE!

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People here seem to be so blinded by their sense of entitlement that they completely neglect that Relic is not content that was made for them. They also neglect that Atma being tied to FATEs was intentionally done to help older players help new players with leveling by having more people roaming the world doing FATEs.

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My dear, you are the only one here who neglets things.
At the beginning FATEs were the fastest way to level characters (the lazy way you hate so much).
People complained and Square Enix nerfed FATEs so they became pretty much useless.
On their place, SE implemented roulettes and boosted the exp you can earn via dungeons (an levequests).
This brings me back to your point: who cares about FATEs anyway since developers do not use them as exp-source anymore?
New players do dungeons, levequests, dailies and challenge logs.
They have many ways to exp their character AND learn their role instead of pressing the same button over and over again. :)

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Nerfs happens for two reasons nowadays:
- Lack of players to actually do the content (which is not the problem on FFXIV really)

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Really?
I tried to farm an atma yesterday just for fun.
There was almost nobody on the map and it was peak time.

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- Lazyness of the mass not whiling to put some effort into doing things.

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Many players in the previous posts asked to guarantee the drop every 50 FATEs on a map.
50X12=600 FATEs.
Assuming you take 1-2 minutes each one it's 600-1200 minutes, 10-20 hours just for ONE step.
Considering many of us have a job and can actually play this game for 3-4 hours a day, I think it's a considerable amount of time.

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most of them dont even care about playing with 'old players' anyway.

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Who said so?
You?
In my FC we have many new players who are struggling this stupid Atma step because they would really like to play with us on endgame contents.
Speak for yourself, please.

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Originally Posted by Skias

Awesome, let's lay off the balance team so no changes ever get made. Ya know, because slippery slope?

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Totally missed the point, but here have a cookie for your efforts! :)

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Originally Posted by Amused

Exactly, this is entirely an instant gratification thing and nothing else. I personally enjoy that I still have things I can work toward. I would be disappointed if I had completed everything at this point and just waited for resets or whatever.

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lol, that's not what you used to say:

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Originally Posted by Amused

Just going to keep it short and simple... the grind for the new relic/zodiac/whateveryouwanttocallit is so painfully stupid that it makes me want to quit. If something isn't done about this I doubt I'll be sticking around. Who honestly thought this was a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Amused

Just dropping in to say that I totally and wholeheartedly agree with your entire post. This patch was a major disappointment and everything that was added seems to require such a ridiculous grind that I find myself also saying "Why bother?" I never thought I'd feel this way about this game but if this is what the future looks like I doubt I'll be sticking around. I play for fun, not to grind away like it's another job.

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So when it was new and you needed to do it, it had to be fixed but now that it's old and you're done it's totally fine!



I'd also like to know how all those people against easing up on atma feel about hunt, because hunt gives higher ilvl also for "using one finger and no brain"

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Originally Posted by Hik0

lol, that's not what you used to say:




So when it was new and you needed to do it, it had to be fixed but now that it's old and you're done it's totally fine!



I'd also like to know how all those people against easing up on atma feel about hunt, because hunt gives higher ilvl also for "using one finger and no brain"

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Hey, what are you talking about, bro? Hunts are hard >.>

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Hey, what are you talking about, bro? Hunts are hard >.>

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Join the hunt horde and become one with the hive mind.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Hey, what are you talking about, bro? Hunts are hard >.>

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My last hunt I swapped to whm and spammed medica II. Walked away with max seals for the very first time since hunts released, and the party was short 1 person. It was amazing. I honestly hadn't believed the reports, because I still had faith that maybe SE had half a design clue. Hunts aren't in any way, shape, or form a challenge.

And I still hate them.