Best Gear in Coil needs to end

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Except nothing is stopping the players who don't meet that "bar of entry" (don't really agree with this phrase as it implies that you must group with those players setting this threshold) from banding together and progressing upwards. i90 is more then enough for any bunch of players to get together, learn and progress above that i101 you spoke of.

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No, when Ramuh is released, it won't prevent the i90 players from doing that fight. However, it may encourage those who do coil to stick with other coil players by only running in 101+ PF groups. And i'm not sure it's good to encourage players to segregate themselves from the rest of the population all the time. And it's certainly less ideal if you're in the situation where you're judged to be not good enough to run with a party finder group, purely because you choose not to do coil.

I mean it's not like coil players can't do this already. They can just choose to only run with their static or FC members if they choose to. If they're really determined to run with coil only players, they can just check the gear of whoever joins. In 2.1, if you were in coil you probably had at least 1 piece of allagan gear, same would be true for high allagan in 2.2. But those ways require you to be a little more proactive in segregating yourself from playing with others. But when it's so easy to just put up a PF with 101+, you may see more people doing it.

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Originally Posted by Evtrai

Demanding top tier gear like people is on this thread is like a person who worked hard trough college, graduated, and with dificulty managed to get a respectable job with a good salary, then have a lazy person that din't work or made any effort at all and just demands to have a job with a equivalent salary.

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You do understand the differences between a video game where you pay for entertainment, college where you go to learn, and a job where you work and somebody pays you ... right?

You can't force people to group with people they don't wish to play with. Those who set their PFs with those conditions want to play with those conditions. There will always be clichés and groups and exclusions in an MMO because the community is made up of actual real life people. If you don't do coil and someone wants to run something with only players who do so, players just have to accept that and group with players who feel the same as they do. The only exception is with random groups through the DF in which the reqs are set by SE.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

You do understand the differences between a video game where you pay for entertainment, college where you go to learn, and a job where you work and somebody pays you ... right?

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And do you understand the similarities? Just because something has differences, doesn't mean it can't be compared.

It just amazes me that when just about every single person in this thread is disagreeing with Gormogon, he still insists he's right and knows what is for the best interest of everyone.

Pretty classic.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

You do understand the differences between a video game where you pay for entertainment, college where you go to learn, and a job where you work and somebody pays you ... right?

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Dude, you would be truly surprised at how many don't.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

You can't force people to group with people they don't wish to play with. Those who set their PFs with those conditions want to play with those conditions. There will always be clichés and groups and exclusions in an MMO because the community is made up of actual real life people. If you don't do coil and someone wants to run something with only players who do so, players just have to accept that and group with players who feel the same as they do. The only exception is with random groups through the DF in which the reqs are set by SE.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

I mean it's not like coil players can't do this already. They can just choose to only run with their static or FC members if they choose to. If they're really determined to run with coil only players, they can just check the gear of whoever joins. In 2.1, if you were in coil you probably had at least 1 piece of allagan gear, same would be true for high allagan in 2.2. But those ways require you to be a little more proactive in segregating yourself from playing with others. But when it's so easy to just put up a PF with 101+, you may see more people doing it.

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It's just a question about whether or not it's good to make it easier for a certain group not to play with another group. I'm not talking about forcing one group to play with another.

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Originally Posted by ispano

And do you understand the similarities? Just because something has differences, doesn't mean it can't be compared.

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In general, yes. In this specific instance, no. Which similarities do you feel are appropriate here.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

It's just a question about whether or not it's good to make it easier for a certain group not to play with another group. I'm not talking about forcing one group to play with another.

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Whether it were easy or difficult, they would still play with the group of people they wanted to play with.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Whether it were easy or difficult, they would still play with the group of people they wanted to play with.

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This was what I was originally replying to:

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Originally Posted by OmniEx

What I like about the SE's decision is it rewards players who are more dedicated and skilled with better gear. Back during 2.1 when everyone had access to i90 you had people with full i90 who didn't know jack about how to play their classes everywhere in the PF. But at least now if I start up a PF and set the ilvl at 105 I know that only players that are good enough to clear second coil turns can join and if they're good enough for SCoB they're good enough for any other content that's currently in the game. I know people are gonna bring up the gear=/= skill argument and all, but at least now that 110 isnt handed out everywhere it's a better indicator than it was previously.

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This guy is only willing to exclude players who do not do coil because it's now easy to do so. It sounds like when he did not have this option, he was more inclusive on who was in his party and would only boot them out if they were not playing well enough.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

This was what I was originally replying to:



This guy is only willing to exclude players who do not do coil because it's now easy to do so. It sounds like when he did not have this option, he was more inclusive on who was in his party and would only boot them out if they were not playing well enough.

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I agree that if Ramuh only requires something like ilvl90 and he asks for 110 then he is being ridiculous and conceited but it would be his PF and if people join It means they accept his reqs. Back when anyone could get ilvl90 instead I'd ilvl people excluded based on clears/achieves/weapons.