New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

52 pages of back and forth over conjecture over strategic planning decisions seems pointless and engaging in a divisive argument that helps no one.

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To be honest, in 52 pages we haven't covered much new ground. Mostly it's a matter of folks new to the thread chiming in with points that were made several times before, and others reiterating the counterpoints they've already made.

Still, I wouldn't say it helps no one. Devs do read these threads, and I'd guess that issues folks are willing to debate for 52 pages are ones they'll at least glance at. My personal hope is that it'll prompt some kind of dev response, some kind of explanation as to why they did what they did. If it IS some kind of weird technical reason, they probably won't answer - but I honestly don't think that's the issue.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Still, I wouldn't say it helps no one. Devs do read these threads, and I'd guess that issues folks are willing to debate for 52 pages are ones they'll at least glance at.

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It's only 52 pages because people keep bumping it to further a pointless debate..

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

It's only 52 pages because people keep bumping it to further a pointless debate..

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The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

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Too bad that wheel has fallen on deaf ears because it's already set is stone.
Devs would probably just reply "Because lore..." that's their story and they're sticking to it.
Whole talk has been Ad nauseam.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda but it's already happening.
Was a nice debate though...We'll see how devs take it come next expac.
I just want 3.0 out. xD

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Too bad that wheel has fallen on deaf ears because it's already set is stone.
Devs would probably just reply "Because lore..." that's their story and they're sticking to it.
Whole talk has been Ad nauseam.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda but it's already happening.
Was a nice debate though...We'll see how devs take it come next expac.
I just want 3.0 out. xD

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It's still 9 weeks out, so it's possible that they could alter things, although it is incredibly unlikely.

If it does turn out that nearly the entirety of 3.0 is gated behind the MSQ, it won't go over well.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It's still 9 weeks out, so it's possible that they could alter things, although it is incredibly unlikely.

If it does turn out that nearly the entirety of 3.0 is gated behind the MSQ, it won't go over well.

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I'm fine with. Took the time to get caught up. Got like 9 weeks, yah?

Seems like the issue is on our side, a lack of planning on your part doesn't something something dark side.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It's still 9 weeks out, so it's possible that they could alter things, although it is incredibly unlikely.

If it does turn out that nearly the entirety of 3.0 is gated behind the MSQ, it won't go over well.

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hmm i don't see why? i means for get acces to the new extreme you need to do the MSQ, for get access to some of the new dungeon you need to do the MSQ. it's not new, it's simply people are complaining for what? for people that will arrive later, because it's unfair for them to do what? the story of the game....

you can complain all you want, say it's not fair and stuff like this. but i will be blunt, FF14 is a mmorpg driven by the story, then get stuff gated behind story is natural. when you have start to play it was said. they already was nice to not gate the ninja behind 2.2 MSQ, because people was crying... but it need to stop, we are talking about advanced JOB not class. if you want to get them, you need to reach the point where you can get them. that as simple than this.

by the way, i'm curious, why people don't complain about the fact that the other jobs recquire to have 1 class 30 and 1 to 15 before you can get them? because that not that much different...

ps: by the way, all the 3.0 is gated behind the last quest of the 2.55.... guess why? because it's after the 2.55, it's the next step of the story! it will have no sense to have people get into ishgarde right after they get to 50!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

hmm i don't see why? i means for get acces to the new extreme you need to do the MSQ, for get access to some of the new dungeon you need to do the MSQ. it's not new, it's simply people are complaining for what? for people that will arrive later, because it's unfair for them to do what? the story of the game....

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For an online game to survive, they need to keep bringing in new players as well as retaining current players. An expansion is a great opportunity to recruit new people.

New people will buy the game based on the trailers for the jungle gym, and put down $60 or so for the sandbox and jungle gym. They could have just spent $20 on the sandbox access, because that's all they will be able to do for a few weeks. All the big kids are off playing at the jungle gym. They're stuck in the sandbox with the other toddlers, and can't even peek through the fence at the jungle gym, all they have is a few pictures of it.

It's seen as a bait and switch, generates negative buzz, and affects growing the player base in a negative way.

Its a baseless argument. New players already have to level to 50 (60) to be able to play with those that have been playing for longer.
By your logic that too would put new players off.

errmm i guess you miss the point....heavenwards is the expansion of FF14.... then it's not a new game, it's the continuity of what we have already. if people want to get there, they need to reach this point in the story. it's like ask to have acces to a story without do what did happend before. people that will start it will feel left out and will not understand what happend. it's worst than all for a game where story is soo much important.