Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I waited for newbies, even if the rest of the party didn’t - once I learned the way through the area myself, which took a few runs! But I’ve had several rounds of staying behind waiting for someone to come out of the cutscene while everyone else dashed on ahead, because it’s a confusing place and being lost there alone is awful. If the fights were tougher I might have felt more conflicted between healer responsibilities and staying back, but the enemies go down easily enough that they could make do without me, and the waiting was more important.

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I commend you, believe me I do. I've done the same thing for newbies, and it only resulted in both of us being locked out of a boss fight. I am ok with that though. Like you, I know what it's like to be there alone and not having any idea what to do or where to go. You feel useless, and like a burden to everyone. The person that comes back for you is like an angel. Vets complain about the 35-50 minute runtime per instance, and seem to forget that the 10-15 minute runs for a newbie seemed like an eternity when you feel like all you are doing is holding everyone back.

If everyone had a similar mentality, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette,

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You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all. People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

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That's a group content, so not everybody can have their pace at the same time. And giving dev time to make up for any type of 8-man configuration, be it full premade, partial premade, or full random, is not a clever way to spend ressource when they already have a hard time bringing really new content.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it.

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Weaker gear than anything you can buy through poetics and than does not need to be replaced until level 68.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

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Give me an example and let's talk about it, would you ?

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Cool, so is this you admitting you do not know why people are complaining then? because yet again (not shocked) this is you throwing out stawmans

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Please, enlighten me, let's hear your interpretation...

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Not to mention mind you, those characters that are DPS. You want me to wait in a over 30min queue and then to do an hour and a half of dungeons

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Sure, it's much better for them to run multiple duties suffering multiple times from a long queue time...people tend to forget about that.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all.

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ONCE, you'll have to face it ONCE in the whole lifetime of your character...Seriously, you'll spend more time complaining about it that actually "suffering" from it.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

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So, in order to prevent you from this one trip, you're okay to remove the possibility for everyone to run the roulette, even though they might want to run it multiple times because they find it worthy, right ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

ONCE, you'll have to face it ONCE in the whole lifetime of your character...Seriously, you'll spend more time complaining about it that actually "suffering" from it.

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And once on THAT alt, and once on THAT alt, and once on THAT alt... it's almost like it's piling up.
For someone who was all "what choice did sprouts have until now?!" you certainly don't seem to care about the lack of options when it's forcing the position you're advocating. Interesting. And sprouts would've had to go through that bad experience the once too, so that argument's value is moot.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Give me an example and let's talk about it, would you ?

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A rank hunts, specifically ARR ones. Healer/tank queues on ARR trials to farm first timer bonus. And unlike with the MSQ roulette, you're actually engaging the game.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

:D How about this Reynhart, lets compromise, I'll make a character on your server and you can solo me through since you love to watch those cut scenes.

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Frankly, I'd have no issue helping a new character go through it. Buuut, there's no way you won't do your part during the fights, sorry.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

A rank hunts, specifically ARR ones. Healer/tank queues on ARR trials to farm first timer bonus.

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So, what about it, let's make a "race" then. I'll run the MSQ roulette as a healer, and post here :
- Time of queuing
- Time of exiting
- Experience before the run
- Experience after the run
And you try your way to see how much time it takes for you to gain the same number of poetics and XP, outside of the roulettes. Wanna try ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Wanna try ?

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No. I've nothing to prove to someone who replies with strawman arguments only to selected bits and pieces of posts and ignores the plethora of legitimate concerns brought up in the rest of said posts. Or completely ignores the core concept of "playing the game" vs. "being held hostage by it to watch cutscenes at the pace it dictates". I'd rather spend my time farming yellow scrips for that chocobo barding. Have fun with that, I'm done here.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

No. I've nothing to prove to someone

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Sure, who need to provide data after claiming something, right ?

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Or completely ignores the core concept of "playing the game" vs. "being held hostage by it to watch cutscenes at the pace it dictates".

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They give more rewards for that, how horrible it is !

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all. People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

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Hell that's half the reason I story skip most of my alts to HW. Between the hell that was these dungeons even before the forced cutscenes and the even bigger hell that awaits from 2.1-2.55 I just didn't have much motivation to slog through that part of the story again. Now with the cutscenes being mandatory I have none at all, even for just running it as a roulette.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The newbies who want the scenes can't even watch it at their own pace since they're auto scrolling.

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Exactly. When I was running those two dungeons for FC members and the few times with randoms, I never forced anyone to skip cutscenes. I even waited for them to show them the way, explain some stuff that they need to click on and more. I just find it bad that their solution is something that punishes way more people then it helps. If you try to do this daily or weekly you will be forced to watch that cutscene again and again and newer people that dont want to watch it will have to do so too. I just wished that they had made it into a solo instance. I mean the bosses are jokes anyway with veteran players so that poor Lahabrea cant even finish his speach before he is death. That would not leave a grand feeling inside of me. A solo instance would have given people the pace that they wanted. They can watch them or not, and the bosses might be no jokes too. And to give veteran players the chance to see that too they could have introduced a NPC that will make such solo battles replayable.

I know it’s totally individual, and I’m also tuning out of the cutscenes when repeatedly running the roulette now (and I’m in the Castrum now as I type this during cutscenes), but when I get my alt to that point in the story I’ll certainly be watching them again. As a daily run, watching everything is the equivalent of reading just one chapter in a long book over and over, and I wouldn’t want to do that - but when I’ve read the entire book up to that point, it makes no sense to skip that chapter. It’ll be the rare chance to actually experience it in its proper context, with the surrounding cutscenes and unrepeatable in-game scenes that come before and after it. I’ll enjoy seeing those characters take part in some of the most epic scenes in the game.

For anyone feeling like it’s an issue that they will have to sit through cutscenes as part of playing the MSQ - do you enjoy the story, or are you mostly playing it for the gameplay? Do you skip all the other cutscenes on your alts, or is it just an issue that these ones can’t be skipped because you’ve been through this particular dungeon so many times? I can’t comprehend that experiencing the climax of a story could feel like a greater chore than the hours of quests that got you to that point. I accept that you feel that way, but I couldn’t bear to miss it.