Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

That pld...I want to personally kick them in the teeth for trolling like that. I wasn't even there and -I- feel mad at him.

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At first I did think it was funny, I was waiting for them to shirk me again, as I would have vote kicked them at that point.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

At first I did think it was funny, I was waiting for them to shirk me again, as I would have vote kicked them at that point.

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I'm trying to decipher that PLD's thought process and the only explanation I can come up with is that he might have tried offsetting some dmg by turning them on you? Mind you, I had to really, really overreach to come up with this lol

I did a Haukke manor where the RDM used jolt on packs of 8+ monsters and scatter on single targets/bosses.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I'm trying to decipher that PLD's thought process and the only explanation I can come up with is that he might have tried offsetting some dmg by turning them on you? Mind you, I had to really, really overreach to come up with this lol

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I thought that at first but they had no reason to shirk me during the boss.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

I thought that at first but they had no reason to shirk me during the boss.

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They really had absolutely no reason to not only mass pull like that in a low-level dungeon, do very little damage to get enmity, and then shirk a squishy dps on top of that. It's because of people like that that make me want to go back to tanking to actually show people and give people good experiences with tanks so that sort of atrocity does not happen.

Because of this, I feel like my tiny inner hamster has become angry and ripped off their shirt.

Quarn normal, DoRK as a tank. In full DoW gear, the greatsword was the only tank piece on them.
*dismal groaning*
Turns out I can tank the dungeon just fine as a Rez Mage if the healer knows what I'm up to.

I really despise people's attitudes in 24 mans sometimes (Lighthouse). They constantly complain, argue, etc when it'd simply be easier and faster to pay attention to mechanics or talk with each other about what they're doing wrong. I did verify if the only tank in tank stance was going to Mt and they said sure. Evidently some dps complained about boss spinning (also took a very long time to pull). I took over MT from the second boss onwards, and only because the dps decided they wanted to pull Belias.

There were no wipes but the dps was rather underwhelming due to how long each fight took, as well as a lot of death. These two things I'm not bothered by but rather how displeasing the attitudes of some people can be, including my own party.

So... this isn't really a single incident as much as a trend I started noticing lately. Over the past few weeks, wherever I go, be it dungeons, raids, alliance raids, trials, what-have-you, I've been running across so many healers... not casting their offensive spells, just... standing around, waiting for someone to get hurt, casting a heal, and returning to standby mode again. I don't think I've seen a Holy since I finished levelling WHM on my alt.

I make a point of never correcting other people's playstyle mid-duty (not worth stepping on potentially oversensitive toes) unless they explicitly ask for advice. So I just deal with it and remind myself I'm probably never going to run into that person again, and if they don't improve on their own, I'm sure someone more confrontational will yell at them sooner or later.

Still, it's becoming really hard to ignore and even harder to understand. I mean, I get that the game doesn't exactly do a good job of teaching healers to ABC, buuuut by the same token, it's also very consistent in its encounter design throughout the entire level range and spectrum of content. By the time they're 70, any healer would be attuned to the rhythm of FF14's combat and realise that damage in this game comes in generously spaced apart bursts rather than a constant stream, right? And more importantly, one would have to eventually notice that pushing a button once every 20 seconds is um... not terribly engaging? Surely there must be something else they could do to fill that void?

How do I steer "pure healers" towards the wonderful world of green DPS without making it sound like they're playing the game wrong?

I don't know what I did, but I think this BRD I had in Expert was mad at me. She stood in every single bad. The first boss that throws up on you, she stood right in it. I rescued her out of it, but she ran right back in. And even stood in the puddle. I took it as a challenge to keep her alive. It went okay except for that one attack the final boss does where you're suppose to stand on the platforms and the sewer water raises up. I never realized how much damage that does. It just straight up murdered her. The tank and other DPS were on it and stuff didn't die that much slower than normal. And I got the Mudpie minion.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

How do I steer "pure healers" towards the wonderful world of green DPS without making it sound like they're playing the game wrong?

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You probably can't. Call me pessimistic but there's a good chance that they are already aware and entirely capable but simply choose not to. A good time ago a friend of mine who was progressing savage Alexander when it was relevant told me they slack off on everything else because it "Doesn't matter" and have personally run with healers who will admit to watching youtube/netflix to explain their lack of attention.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

How do I steer "pure healers" towards the wonderful world of green DPS without making it sound like they're playing the game wrong?

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You can't. Unlike typical advice that steers a player into using a particular skill or on how to deal with a particular scenario/mech, playstyle advice has rarely worked out. Or rather, higher the content lvl, the less chance you have uprooting them from their usual habits. If a healer never learned or barely tried to dps during lull times, then chances are when they hit cap level, you're advice sounds like less like advice and more like toxic elitism. To them that is. It's like how there are healers who'll slap a regen way on a tank before they even get within mob pack vicinity (at the start of a mass pull, not inbetween): completely uneeded and all it does is makes the tank run back if he missed his aoe enmity move. Sadly, some healers have been so used to that style of play that if you told them otherwise, they would liekly take it as an affront. And this goes for pretty much any role mind you. There are just some bad habits that you'll find in players, they adopted it since the early levels and unfortunately, you will have those who will not budge even if you present them with evidence how its counterproductive to continue as they are.

Playstyle advice is much harder to receive than most advice regarding other things in game.

I ran squad dungeons with my pld up to 33 and was bored to tears so I decided to buy a level skip potion. Practiced on the dummy for a while afterwards and queued into 50/60 roulette. ARF pops.

Gave the party fair warning that I had done this and preceded to tank. Messed up a few times and died twice, but healer said it was their bad both times.

I just wanted to say thanks for patient players with goofs like me. After that dungeon I am shaking with excitement. I really enjoyed it even though I wasnt so great. As for now I'm going to smack that dummy a ton more so I dont forget where my buttons are lol.

This is from last night but only just had time to share it. Hopped into the lovely realm of Duty Finder as I was winding down a night with my 340 DRK and jumped into duty finder, thinking it would go quickly enough and I could close out the night on a good note. End up drawing Castrum Abania, no first timers, and off we go with me still thinking we will breeze through. Healer is a SCH and I notice immediately that my HP is dropping low on trash pulls but hey, if the heals wants to add DPS, fine by me... I'm comfortable with the health getting low if we do this faster. Then I have to use a cooldown on one of the forced small pulls and I begin to wonder what's going on. We get to the first boss and I think I know the problem... she has her fairy doing auto heals and she isn't doing a single heal herself. I die on the first boss as does a DPS who didn't get a heal through a dungeon wide blast and then ate another mechanic. We wipe, and then we go again. Exact same result. At this point I ask if she has the fairy on auto and get no response, so I decide I'm just going to leave, but before I can do that I see something that really bothered me and I felt compelled to point it out before I did.

If you are leaving due to incompetence that can't/won't be fixed by the offending party, just go do that instead of sending a bunch of really nasty messages to that person about how they're playing their class, because the other DPS decided to do just that. Trying to give people any advice in DF is usually incredibly poorly received anyway, so that's strike 1, but if you have that big of a problem with the way another person is playing, then just leave. Let them be someone else's problem. He sent her over a bunch of stuff telling her to uninstall the game, she's trash, etc (that's the version I can print, anyway). While I get it can be frustrating when people obviously have no idea how to play their class (and given that was her only class in the 60s, I'm certain she bought a skip potion and hopped right into DF), calling them awful and insulting them is not going to fix that problem so just move on or initiate a vote kick.

I have two stories.

First, Orbonne in progress as AST. My cohealer was spamming, urr, benefic II during the Ultima transition phase. Well, Very cool I guess <.<.

Second, leveling WAR in Bardam's Mettle. Matched up with an AST, a BRD and a SAM. That run took forever (35ish minutes with no wipes). BRD was doing okay, DPS was a bit low but pretty typical for DF. AST wasn't dpsing but healed fine so I'm still okay with that. The SAM, though, had less than 20k health so I examined them. Most pieces were between ilvl 225 and 260 which is not that bad for a dps. However, he was still wielding the ilvl 115 starting SAM weapon. Yeah, it's the nq one you got from the initial quest. I would argue that the weapon isn't good enough for some late HW dungeons, let alone a level 65 dungeon. >.>.

So I queued up for my weekly clear of Alphascape V4.0 to get the crystalloid and my co-healer was one of the laziest (or ignorant, depending on your opinion) players I have ever witnessed. During the fight, he would stand around and wait for people to take damage, only ever casting Cure on them. Nobody in the group ever dipped below 90% HP outside of AOE attacks due to his determination to spam Cure - MUST ALWAYS BE AT FULL HP. Needless to say, this was grinding my gears throughout the entire fight. Not a single Stone IV or Aero/III were cast, I should add, especially during the DPS check phase where M puts up his shield. Standing around admiring the scenery I suppose. He even threw in Medica II during this time for... reasons I guess?

We get to the second phase where we now fight M and F simultaneously and this guy is still spamming Cure on people, even when AOE damage is going out! No Assize, Asylum, or Medica. I'm there as another WHM trying to get out as much damage as possible in between heals and he's having a great time standing in the centre. *SIGH* Anyway we cleared it without any wipes but my god, how do these types of people make it all the way to the end of the current tier playing like this? Is it really too much to ask of healers to DPS during downtime? I think it's rather easy to manage.

Yesterday during an Orbonne run, the WHM would spam heal us with nothing other than medica II or cure III (when people arent stacked)... and I mean spam like 4 medica II’s in a row xD. She would occasionally dps when she’s got the mp for it which was very rare...
When she was told that spamming those isn’t efficient healing nor good for mp management, her reply was “don’t worry! I got this, I know healing!”... ... yea?... no.. please stop... /facepalm

Dog woke me up so I decided to do some PF before work. Went into a Suzaku EX party (I still need the dog btw) and the PF said that they had cleared but are working on cleaning up mechanics. Cool I thought, we will wipe a few times but for the most part, we should be good. OH BUDDY WAS I WRONG. This thing was a wipefest. Everyone was doing OK except for this WHM who I swear to the twelve played like he picked up the game last week. His co-healer was a SCH who basically had to solo heal the entire thing case the WHM was dead the whole time. Mind you this WHM was in full augmented 400 gear and NEVER. USED. REGEN. ON. THE. TANKS. So while the SCH was focused on healing the party with AOE heals, I was responsible for keeping the DRK up with clemency (yeah completely forget my rotation). I only used offensive abilities when I was MT and when I was off tank it would basically clemency every 4 GCDs. This is the issue with being part of a good static...you get too used to people knowing what they are doing...........

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Originally Posted by TenraiNagi

Yesterday during an Orbonne run, the WHM would spam heal us with nothing other than medica II or cure III (when people arent stacked)... and I mean spam like 4 medica II’s in a row xD. She would occasionally dps when she’s got the mp for it which was very rare...
When she was told that spamming those isn’t efficient healing nor good for mp management, her reply was “don’t worry! I got this, I know healing!”... ... yea?... no.. please stop... /facepalm

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It's always the ones who know the least that think they know the most. At least that has been my experience.

Finally finished up ARF for my alt. After 40 minutes in queue, got a party consisting of

A samurai who otherwise did a fine job, but didn't manage enmity.

A warrior who tried tanking 70% of the dungeon in Deliverance (this includes pulling things), and was way into rushing through.

A white mage who didn't cast a single. offensive. spell. the. entire. dungeon. When he wasn't healing, this guy looked like he was barefoot on hot asphalt. Constantly twitching left and right. Would go dozens of seconds at a time just shuffling back and forth. I kinda wish I'd told him "if you're bored enough to just twitch around between heals, you could cast some offensive spells." But you know, you never figure out the things to say when it is time to say them. Also, it took him into the first boss to find his Protect, randomly Rescued the tank, and never found his Esuna. /sigh

And of course no comms for me even after raising both the SAM and WHM who died to the same AoE on the last boss.

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Originally Posted by Aosha

Finally finished up ARF for my alt. After 40 minutes in queue, got a party consisting of

A samurai who otherwise did a fine job, but didn't manage enmity.

A warrior who tried tanking 70% of the dungeon in Deliverance (this includes pulling things), and was way into rushing through.

A white mage who didn't cast a single. offensive. spell. the. entire. dungeon. When he wasn't healing, this guy looked like he was barefoot on hot asphalt. Constantly twitching left and right. Would go dozens of seconds at a time just shuffling back and forth. I kinda wish I'd told him "if you're bored enough to just twitch around between heals, you could cast some offensive spells." But you know, you never figure out the things to say when it is time to say them. Also, it took him into the first boss to find his Protect, randomly Rescued the tank, and never found his Esuna. /sigh

And of course no comms for me even after raising both the SAM and WHM who died to the same AoE on the last boss.

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Welcome to what it's like to be an RDM(well your story gives me the impression you were playing an RDM..or maybe a summoner) where people don't even throw a simple ty appreviation of thank you even if you were the one keeping the 4 dungeon party members or 8 people on the raid alive

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

Welcome to what it's like to be an RDM(well your story gives me the impression you were playing an RDM..or maybe a summoner) where people don't even throw a simple ty appreviation of thank you even if you were the one keeping the 4 dungeon party members or 8 people on the raid alive

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I ran Keeper of the Lake the other week as RDM on the alt. Got asked why I didn't heal or raise the healer when it fell down during playtime with Middy and a wipe followed shortly thereafter.

*wipes solitary tear*

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

I ran Keeper of the Lake the other week as RDM on the alt. Got asked why I didn't heal or raise the healer when it fell down during playtime with Middy and a wipe followed shortly thereafter.

*wipes solitary tear*

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How dare you not have level 60+ skills at level 50.

This isn't necessarily just one story, but an overall trend I've been noticing of late with more people coming into the game as the new expansion looms. I really, really wish that the Hall of Novices was mandatory regardless of whether you job skip or not, and that the Hall was updated to better prep newbies for their experiences in duty finder. I've come across way too many lowbie tanks who picked their classes because the weapon looked cool, or healers who just stand around and pick their noses because they likely come from a game where healing uptime is so intense there's not much reason to DPS.

Going into ShB I think a good positive change would be to make a trip to the Hall mandatory before people hit Sastasha, or immediately dump people who skip a job into it or zone them there once the skip is applied. Because people like the healer I got in 50/60 Roulette last night who seemed allergic to DPSing and spammed Adlo like it was going out of style are likely to get yelled at once they reach higher level content. And for no other reason than they likely don't realize this game is so easy to heal that there are entire dungeons at endgame you can manage near 70%-80% DPs uptime and not have the tank dip below half health once.

As for an actual story, I had perhaps the best run of LoTA last night. No one was rude, everyone was doing their jobs, and the run was perhaps the fastest I've ever had in that place in spite of it being the default Alliance Roulette experience these days. It honestly threw a few of us for a loop when we realized that LoTA didn't /need/ to be painful in spite of how easy it tends to be, and I hope that future runs are even half as smooth going forward.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

I ran Keeper of the Lake the other week as RDM on the alt. Got asked why I didn't heal or raise the healer when it fell down during playtime with Middy and a wipe followed shortly thereafter.

*wipes solitary tear*

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ِAre they stupid or something?

Red mage gets verraise at level 64 which is literally 14 levels later

I'm so sorry u had to deal with those ... *lalahug*

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Originally Posted by Aosha

No ty for ARF rezzes

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

Welcome to what it's like to be an RDM(well your story gives me the impression you were playing an RDM..or maybe a summoner) where people don't even throw a simple ty appreviation of thank you even if you were the one keeping the 4 dungeon party members or 8 people on the raid alive

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

ِAre they stupid or something?

Red mage gets verraise at level 64 which is literally 14 levels later

I'm so sorry u had to deal with those ... *lalahug*

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ARF: Aetherochemical Research Facility. Level 60 dungeon. :P
(Sorry, I found it too funny seeing these two from you on the same page.)

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Originally Posted by Aosha

ARF: Aetherochemical Research Facility. Level 60 dungeon. :P
(Sorry, I found it too funny seeing these two from you on the same page.)

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Well, my bad on not noticing the abbreviation

Still u didn't clarify what class u used so I preemptively assumed RDM due to most of my past experiences with it xD(yes I know im dumb xD)

Summoner however has Ressurection in Lv 48 so I think u meant SMN and I derped really hard

So last night I decided I wanted to do a mentor roulette on my sch before bed and I got AV with the sprouts being the dps. They were fine, they listened to me. But this war, who was in all 250 gear Alexander gear, was the worst agro holder I've seen in ages. First off, he runs into the first room and takes a reasonable if not close to hairy amount of adds. Immediately, they are on me and poor eos. Eventually due to my spamming of healing they all dog pile on me and I'm dead and we wipe. We pull again, this time I noticed, 1. the war was only doing one over power and not even hitting all the mobs, which 2. would go onto eos, me, or one of the dps and 3. even though he clearly was barely holding any agro he was switching deliverance on and off for dps which lead to 4. my fairy and myself becoming the tank. I went through 10 different fairies before we even got to the end of the dungeon bc it became the case of 'sorry eos, its either you or me whose getting healed and sustain ain't gonna keep you around.'

To boot, he doesn't listen to me on mechs. I tell him to eat fruit and he doesn't even he has 8 stacks and dies. I tell him to run away from the second boss when swing comes out. Doesn't listen and dies bc he doesn't even have his tank stance on to live through it both times. And with the marbolo's he tanks both at the same time and dances around before dropping his tank stance and loosing all agro to different people and a fairy who can't agree where to point them. And of course bad breath comes out and hits everyone cept luckily me. And of course on the third boss he doesn't listen and won't eat fruit unless he got hit by bad breath which I guess was a mercy considering his stacks didn't go as high as the first boss. And during all of this, he keeps toggling off that tank stance and I keep getting the fear of god shot into my heart as I keep spamming lucid dreaming everytime its off cd. Really wish I had access to diversion at this point.

Thank god I walked away with two comms bc I may have scalped myself if I didn't get acknowledged for healing through literal hell.

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

ِAre they stupid or something?

Red mage gets verraise at level 64 which is literally 14 levels later

I'm so sorry u had to deal with those ... *lalahug*

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Reminds me of a brayfox run on my sch back pre SB. Back when Scholars had leeches as their esuna but not until level 40. Tank was complaining about me not using it during the final boss. Insisted I had it, then I pointed out no I didn't until level 40.

Now, I could have brought out selene if I'd known before hand that I would have needed it. But I didn't know that so I had eos out, and I'd either already used swiftcast to raise someone or hadn't unlocked it yet. (I was still leveling that character at the time and this was pre role actions so I had to level THM to get it.) And I certainly did not have time to hardcast swapping fairies mid boss.

We didn't wipe or die or anything, which is why I was confused the tank was so mad it's not like I was letting him die, but he was annoyed.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

How dare you not have level 60+ skills at level 50.

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Remembers me when a DRK trash-talked me for using the aggro combo stealing his aggro. Duty was 50, I were a PLD in dps stance...

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

ِAre they stupid or something?

Red mage gets verraise at level 64 which is literally 14 levels later

I'm so sorry u had to deal with those ... *lalahug*

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Not everyone has RDM leveled - not everyone has all the spells memorized by name, effect, and level of unlocking. Not a lot to go on based on their post - about being asked why they didn't help cure or rez. Maybe the person who asked genuinely didn't know?

Going from 0 to stupid a pretty big jump though.

Just like Scholar's "Excogitation" is a big spell too - or Paladin's "Clemency" - but I'm sure you and everyone knows what level those are available too off the top of your head, right?

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Remembers me when a DRK trash-talked me for using the aggro combo stealing his aggro. Duty was 50, I were a PLD in dps stance...

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Yeah haha. Unless you have dual pld you might as well just tank in level 50 duties since you won't have your dps combo yet and have to spam the rage of halone combo...and it's even later before you get your requiscat/holy spirit phase. Paladin doens't have much going on pre HW....

Recently I ran through the Great Gubal Library for the Main Scenario Quest. Normally I tank, but this week I have been studying what it is like being a healer. I went about this role in that library with Eos and my Codex.

Two members of that party were a Warrior and a Samurai. The Warrior stated, she(?) was new to tanking in that dungeon and would not be doing great big pulls. I think in the first section we wipe because I mistarget Lustrate and heal myself instead of the tank. Controller, you see. This uncomfortable nightmare of some people being up, some others being dead, and others running for their lives begins, but it ends. Anyways, the tank stops to adjust for a bit but the Samurai just keeps going and engages the next group of enemies alone. As I mainly play tanks this actually offends me and I sit back partially because I think this disorganization will get me killed and that I hate it even if it wouldn't. The tank apologizes for not being fast and fairly reiterates they had not tanked this dungeon before, the Samurai asks if we can simply "run through and kill everything." Tanking and spanking single clumps of mobs through the dungeon is not hard, and between here and until we encounter the Demon Tome, nothing so terrible happens but I start to get the suspicion that with the 60 boosts being on sale, we definitely have one person who bought one for Samurai. I don't entirely disdain the use of those. "If it works, it works." I say, and I honestly thought about using one for Dragoon to avoid torturing myself in Palace of the Dead, but I do find it a little strange someone bought a jump to 60 for a class that starts at 50.

We get to the book and discuss what to do with it, and if memory serves the Samurai insists on just attempting to slice it repeatedly in chat. Because of this, I have to raise her when she eats a laser because our discussion on what to do was apparently unheeded. This expensive use of MP gets the Samurai an opportunity to die to book beams a second time, which she quickly seizes. After I take too long to resurrect her we are short a DPS, and have to beat the Tome with three people, which we do, because it's an easy fight if you pay attention to the mechanics. I found that I frequently did not even Lustrate the tank enough time to empty my Aetherflow charges between cooldowns.

After this a mechanic replaces our samurai and we happily joke at the Samurai's expense for the rest of a relatively smooth run. I entertain the belief these jump to 60 purchases be limited to people who have reached 60 on another class or character.

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Originally Posted by Ventura_Highway

Recently I ran through the Great Gubal Library for the Main Scenario Quest. Normally I tank, but this week I have been studying what it is like being a healer. I went about this role in that library with Eos and my Codex.

Two members of that party were a Warrior and a Samurai. The Warrior stated, she(?) was new to tanking in that dungeon and would not be doing great big pulls. I think in the first section we wipe because I mistarget Lustrate and heal myself instead of the tank. Controller, you see. This uncomfortable nightmare of some people being up, some others being dead, and others running for their lives begins, but it ends. Anyways, the tank stops to adjust for a bit but the Samurai just keeps going and engages the next group of enemies alone. As I mainly play tanks this actually offends me and I sit back partially because I think this disorganization will get me killed and that I hate it even if it wouldn't. The tank apologizes for not being fast and fairly reiterates they had not tanked this dungeon before, the Samurai asks if we can simply "run through and kill everything." Tanking and spanking single clumps of mobs through the dungeon is not hard, and between here and until we encounter the Demon Tome, nothing so terrible happens but I start to get the suspicion that with the 60 boosts being on sale, we definitely have one person who bought one for Samurai. I don't entirely disdain the use of those. "If it works, it works." I say, and I honestly thought about using one for Dragoon to avoid torturing myself in Palace of the Dead, but I do find it a little strange someone bought a jump to 60 for a class that starts at 50.

We get to the book and discuss what to do with it, and if memory serves the Samurai insists on just attempting to slice it repeatedly in chat. Because of this, I have to raise her when she eats a laser because our discussion on what to do was apparently unheeded. This expensive use of MP gets the Samurai an opportunity to die to book beams a second time, which she quickly seizes. After I take too long to resurrect her we are short a DPS, and have to beat the Tome with three people, which we do, because it's an easy fight if you pay attention to the mechanics. I found that I frequently did not even Lustrate the tank enough time to empty my Aetherflow charges between cooldowns.

After this a mechanic replaces our samurai and we happily joke at the Samurai's expense for the rest of a relatively smooth run. I entertain the belief these jump to 60 purchases be limited to people who have reached 60 on another class or character.

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I'm pretty sure SAM and RDM don't have boost potions available. Maybe in ShB if they release level 70 potions, but I don't think they get boost potions yet.

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Originally Posted by Ventura_Highway

Recently I ran through the Great Gubal Library for the Main Scenario Quest. Normally I tank, but this week I have been studying what it is like being a healer. I went about this role in that library with Eos and my Codex.

Two members of that party were a Warrior and a Samurai. The Warrior stated, she(?) was new to tanking in that dungeon and would not be doing great big pulls. I think in the first section we wipe because I mistarget Lustrate and heal myself instead of the tank. Controller, you see. This uncomfortable nightmare of some people being up, some others being dead, and others running for their lives begins, but it ends. Anyways, the tank stops to adjust for a bit but the Samurai just keeps going and engages the next group of enemies alone. As I mainly play tanks this actually offends me and I sit back partially because I think this disorganization will get me killed and that I hate it even if it wouldn't. The tank apologizes for not being fast and fairly reiterates they had not tanked this dungeon before, the Samurai asks if we can simply "run through and kill everything." Tanking and spanking single clumps of mobs through the dungeon is not hard, and between here and until we encounter the Demon Tome, nothing so terrible happens but I start to get the suspicion that with the 60 boosts being on sale, we definitely have one person who bought one for Samurai. I don't entirely disdain the use of those. "If it works, it works." I say, and I honestly thought about using one for Dragoon to avoid torturing myself in Palace of the Dead, but I do find it a little strange someone bought a jump to 60 for a class that starts at 50.

We get to the book and discuss what to do with it, and if memory serves the Samurai insists on just attempting to slice it repeatedly in chat. Because of this, I have to raise her when she eats a laser because our discussion on what to do was apparently unheeded. This expensive use of MP gets the Samurai an opportunity to die to book beams a second time, which she quickly seizes. After I take too long to resurrect her we are short a DPS, and have to beat the Tome with three people, which we do, because it's an easy fight if you pay attention to the mechanics. I found that I frequently did not even Lustrate the tank enough time to empty my Aetherflow charges between cooldowns.

After this a mechanic replaces our samurai and we happily joke at the Samurai's expense for the rest of a relatively smooth run. I entertain the belief these jump to 60 purchases be limited to people who have reached 60 on another class or character.

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To My Knowledge Jumps for Sam and RDM arent Available you were just dealing with an impatient dps

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Originally Posted by JBee

Not everyone has RDM leveled - not everyone has all the spells memorized by name, effect, and level of unlocking. Not a lot to go on based on their post - about being asked why they didn't help cure or rez. Maybe the person who asked genuinely didn't know?

Going from 0 to stupid a pretty big jump though.

Just like Scholar's "Excogitation" is a big spell too - or Paladin's "Clemency" - but I'm sure you and everyone knows what level those are available too off the top of your head, right?

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Excog Level 62 Scholar , Clem Level 58 Paladin

Time it would take someone to look up the information instead of complain.. roughly about the amount of time it took to type the post to complain to the RDM player

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Originally Posted by JBee

Not everyone has RDM leveled - not everyone has all the spells memorized by name, effect, and level of unlocking. Not a lot to go on based on their post - about being asked why they didn't help cure or rez. Maybe the person who asked genuinely didn't know?

Going from 0 to stupid a pretty big jump though.

Just like Scholar's "Excogitation" is a big spell too - or Paladin's "Clemency" - but I'm sure you and everyone knows what level those are available too off the top of your head, right?

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Here is the thing tho,if I don't know what level is a certain skill obtained at,I don't lash on a fellow party member for my own ignorance,I just remain silent because I can't speak of a job I havent fully learned yet rather than pretend that I know and start blaming a healer or a red mage for not using a skill they literally don't have at that level

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I'm pretty sure SAM and RDM don't have boost potions available. Maybe in ShB if they release level 70 potions, but I don't think they get boost potions yet.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

To My Knowledge Jumps for Sam and RDM arent Available you were just dealing with an impatient dps

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I really do not know if I should thank or curse you both because it actually really hurts knowing that they had to have grinded from 50 to 60 and thus should have known better.

I can understand being impatient but I am bothered about how someone could not learn how to avoid the Demon Tome's Disclosure attack after being struck the first time, and further, having been told what to do beforehand.

EDIT: It's possible this fellow was a bit too conditioned from running the Palace of the Dead.

Just ran into someone who clearly level-boosted AST to 60 because they let the tank die, twice, by not using their heal skill at all. Or any skill for that matter. Hell they almost died themselves from lack of any healing. I don't know how this person even got a different character to level 48 if they apparently have an issue figuring out how to press a button to do something.

ran a 50 dungeon for that book and the pally tank wouldnt use provoke and the healer kept getting adds so i had to save the healer while the tank just stood there. we kicked him and got a awesome Drk

Just had a Bard in Gubal die 5 times to the opening giant book boss because every single time we would rez them to our side of the book, a mechanic would happen and they would instantly die... even with Lustrate. Or they would rez over on the same side of the book that they died on. Lol. It was pretty weird.

The same dungeon, at the final boss, saw the same Bard and a BLM place the orbs on the platform lights for the adds even with myself and the tank telling them where to place them.
Bless them, they really tried to DPS as hard as they could but I can only heal so many vuln stacks!

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This is just a quick question for a few people out there who may have experienced this like I did.

Has this forum post and subsequent comments taught you how NOT to play a class, and therefore, helped you out by already having the knowledge of what not to do?

Small case in point... I started out on Scholar and had a pretty good understanding of how to play it from just this forum post alone. Already at level 60 and loving playing it!