Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

will help if we can dye it :P

I like the armor, but I'm definitely throwing a Glamour over the mask

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I like the armor, but I'm definitely throwing a Glamour over the mask

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This. I dislike that kinda mask/visor.

You know, I think the Darklight DRG Helmet will look really good with that set.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

You know, I think the Darklight DRG Helmet will look really good with that set.

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Ew...I dislike that one even more. I think the Allagan 1 mask would work well, personally

No one has any pics of any of the Zodiac weapons yet. As far as we know, the only pics so far are of Leviathan and Masterwork weapons.

The weapon with the Allagan gear is the Allagan weapon

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

This may be a dumb question but aren't the Masterwork Weapons actually the Zodiac Weapons? And if yes then we saw them at least from the Bard, Tank and Healer.

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We don't know. And I doubt it, since the Zodiac weapons are supposed to take months to complete, and I think there are going to be Soldiery (masterworks) weapons too

They're not. Zodiac weapons have their own Quest Line.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Well then I'm curious about what you dislike about the armor? Just curious.

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Down to personal taste. The outfit just looks bland. I do like the heavy allagan set, though. I may glamor the christmas "mrs clause" outfit over the new stuff, though. Potentially with the white halloween pumpkin head.

Why do most decent DRG's I see posting use or advise people to use foresight over featherfoot as a cross class ability?
Personally I have seen far better results from featherfoot. Foresight is a very marginal benefit at best,
it is only really noticeable from a tank perspective when you have a large amount of incoming physical damage and the buff lasts for the full duration of incoming damage.
From a DRG perspective if you happen to pull hate or have something to OT ie Rook or Chirada etc. which dies fairly quick featherfoot gives much better benefits by making attacks have a decent chance to miss.

What item lv will b the new crafted weapons and gear?

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

Why do most decent DRG's I see posting use or advise people to use foresight over featherfoot as a cross class ability?
Personally I have seen far better results from featherfoot. Foresight is a very marginal benefit at best,
it is only really noticeable from a tank perspective when you have a large amount of incoming physical damage and the buff lasts for the full duration of incoming damage.
From a DRG perspective if you happen to pull hate or have something to OT ie Rook or Chirada etc. which dies fairly quick featherfoot gives much better benefits by making attacks have a decent chance to miss.

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Featherfoot gives a 15% miss chance. This can end up mitigating a lot of damage...or absolutely nothing. IMO, that chance is not worth it. Foresight mitigates any physical damage by a set amount; no chance to deal with. Ultimately, though...they both suck

Personally, the first defensive CD I use is Keen Flurry (paired with Bloodbath). 80% chance to mitigate 27% (ish) of (parry-able) damage IS worth the risk (and the place I use it most on, T4 against Knights, I parry almost all Headspins with KF up).

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

What item lv will b the new crafted weapons and gear?

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I don't know about "crafted weapons", but crafted gear is i90.

The new crafted gear will b interesting as will b just like when ilvl 70 was better than dark light . Ilvl 90 gear will b obviously better than what myth gear now. Ohhhh man I'm so excited. I'll meld all of my gear once it's up for grabs in market place, I hope it's better looking than the myth gear if not I'll just glamour the drg body. Also it was mention that there will b no more use P tomes. Will there b an npc to convert them all or will our P tomes b converted automatically once we update to 2.2?

I'm sure that there will be an NPC that will convert Philosophy tomes to Mythology. Don't automatically assume that it will be an 1:1 exchange rate though.

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

He want dat cake cake cake

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Because Featherfoot requires the RNG Gods to give a damn about me for 10 seconds, where as foresight is a guaranteed defense increase 100% of the time....

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Originally Posted by Silverharp

Because Featherfoot requires the RNG Gods to give a damn about me for 10 seconds, where as foresight is a guaranteed defense increase 100% of the time....

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Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I don't like praying to the Twelve in the middle of a fight. Same goes for Keen Flurry.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Will there b an npc to convert them all or will our P tomes b converted automatically once we update to 2.2?

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Yes, there WILL be an NPC to convert your Philo into Mytho (confirmed), but I don't know the conversion rates.

PArcher...Thanks again for suggestion. I followed the map (pg 169) exactly. I am now capped with 411 myths. I got lucky in last coil run getting allagan hands and legs to go with allagan neck and wrist. With relic+1, myth helm, chest, belt, feet and ring of slaying. Only dark light left is earrings and ring of striking. Acc is 504. That enough? What is next equip wise?

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Originally Posted by VaShawn

PArcher...Thanks again for suggestion. I followed the map (pg 169) exactly. I am now capped with 411 myths. I got lucky in last coil run getting allagan hands and legs to go with allagan neck and wrist. With relic+1, myth helm, chest, belt, feet and ring of slaying. Only dark light left is earrings and ring of striking. Acc is 504. That enough? What is next equip wise?

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504 issssssssssss waaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough.

When gearing up your character, your number #1 priority is getting to i90 first, don't think of BiS and focus on getting an upgrade (in this case your earrings and ring), once you get to a max ilevel that's when you concern yourself in BiS.

Ilvl 86 now. If I don't get earrings or rings from coil this week. Then I buy myth earrings? Since I already have slaying ring?

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Originally Posted by Decrith

504 issssssssssss waaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough.

When gearing up your character, your number #1 priority is getting to i90 first, don't think of BiS and focus on getting an upgrade (in this case your earrings and ring), once you get to a max ilevel that's when you concern yourself in BiS.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Dunno about the rest of you, but I don't like praying to the Twelve in the middle of a fight. Same goes for Keen Flurry.

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Keen Flurry is +80% on top of base parry chance ... I think it's reliable enough.

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Originally Posted by VaShawn

Ilvl 86 now. If I don't get earrings or rings from coil this week. Then I buy myth earrings? Since I already have slaying ring?

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Don't even bother with buying the other accessories; Coil is being unlocked on Thurs, so just farm that until you get them from there

Finally got to beat t4 as a dragoon last last night. Wow. Nothing else quite like it. Can I trade in my tank gear? Lol

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Keen Flurry is +80% on top of base parry chance ... I think it's reliable enough.

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Does it add flat 80% parry, or is it *1.8?

That's something I've always been confused by in this game because the tooltips for everything are worded the same pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Does it add 80% parry, or is it multiplicative?

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Skill description:

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Increases parry rate by 80%

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Originally Posted by VaShawn

Ilvl 86 now. If I don't get earrings or rings from coil this week. Then I buy myth earrings? Since I already have slaying ring?

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May as well wait for patch on Thursday before upgrading any more, since game will be down all of Wednesday.

Gratz bravo. I haven't cleared yet. Suggestions?

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Finally got to beat t4 as a dragoon last last night. Wow. Nothing else quite like it. Can I trade in my tank gear? Lol

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Which Skills are the most useful ones for PVP for the Dragoon? Also included which need to be neccassarily upgraded after unlocking.

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I personally use Purify, Fetter Ward, Skewer, Impulse Rush and Weapon Throw all just basic level 1, then Enhanced Strength I, II and III.

Fights rarely last long enough to warrant sacrificing the Enhanced Strength for ability recast time reductions but maybe in future updates with more organised/even match ups that could become a possibility.

I would start by unlocking purify > Impulse Rush > Weapon Throw > Fetter Ward > Skewer > STR buffs

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Does it add flat 80% parry, or is it *1.8?

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Based on how many hits I parry afterward, I'm pretty sure it's a +80% chance to parry added to your base chance. But, that's anecdotal and tbh I don't even pay much attention after I press the button. I should actually take a minute and watch it next time.

The difference between a base*1.8 and base+80% should be immediately obvious.

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Originally Posted by VaShawn

Gratz bravo. I haven't cleared yet. Suggestions?

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Make sure your rotation is solid XD

What I did:

Phase 1: HT>B4B>RoT>IR>RoT spam (Invigorate about at about 300 TP)
Phase 2: Normal rotation on knights minus major buffs. I just used Power Surge, Jump and Leg sweep on the first one, nothing on the second knight
Phase 3: Rotation with all buffs. I waited a sec for bugs to be fed before unloading.
Phase 4: Focus one of the rooks. Again normal rotation with minimal buffs, I just used PS>Jump and leg sweep. At this point if around 300 TP use invig again. Second rook was a combination of single target damage while RoT on all of them. Use IR to buff RoT

This is where strats change depending on group. Last night we beat it non-double dread (first time for me) so we took out p5 dread first (full rotation with all buffs) before killing p5 and p6 knight and soldier (bugs got fed to p6 dread) then we killed the last dread. I'm not sure what happened to the p6 rook, I looked for it but never found it (on the kill run). The OT we had was pretty undergeared and group decided to use tank LB at the beginning of p6.

Other times you will take out the p5 knight/soldier which leaves the MT with double dreads. In that strat you want to LB the rook in p6 before burning p5 dread. Once p5 dread is down switch back to knight/soldier. Some people feed bugs, which sounds risky to me, I've also cleared it when bugs were the last 2 enemies after dread.

Also, will prolly need to use invigorate again between phases 5-6.

Hope that helps :D

EDIT: Just as an aside, I did notice ONE miss during RoT spam in phase 1. I'm at 470 acc, there may have been more but I for sure saw one miss. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone was parsing. A group I ran with before I cleared was parsing and I typically had 1st or 2nd dps, 260-280, but I don't know the specifics (I really wanted to know crit%).

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Based on how many hits I parry afterward, I'm pretty sure it's a +80% chance to parry added to your base chance. But, that's anecdotal and tbh I don't even pay much attention after I press the button. I should actually take a minute and watch it next time.

The difference between a base*1.8 and base+80% should be immediately obvious.

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It would be obvious if I used it more often :P. I've always been under the assumption that it's *1.8, so I've only ever used it in dire moments when needed (if I have vulnerability stacks left for Aetheric Profusion etc).

Thanks for clearing it up :)

If it works the same way all of the + crit rate buffs like wrath and internal release work, it is a flat addition.

Well, got my Gloves (finally) and the Maiming Bracelets this week

Got my gloves this weeks too. Only took months. Now if only the visor would drop...

Figures,
days before release of 2.2 and more gear, finally get the boots to drop to finish off BiS. Strange how things work out this way....

I suppose I'll just start 2.2 without them since Twintania refused to drop them for me >.>

Only took twelve clears to see them, nine to see the spear....

Its not like we'll be able to get new gear immediately after 2.2 drops. The new Tomes are capped (and prices are probably the same as Myth and Philo, so the only thing you can get week 1 would be accessories, and who knows what the drops will be in Coil2)

I changed to taru yesterday, and finally got my damn visor! So that's confirmed: visor drops on T4 after changing from catman to taru, 100% of the time.

lol well finally got my visor 3days b4 the new patch great RNG i must say lol, btw was at 465 acc on T5 and havent missed this week so around 460-470 is the sweet spot for drgs maybe idk