The Letter is up

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Originally Posted by Physic

im pretty sure multishot will change, just due to stamina costs being gone, but its probably going to get a timer or an mp cost, since those are the only two resource management options now. Im just saying they built archer right, it is a DD that has a fundamentally different feeling and playstyle associated with it, more DoW need this. It shouldnt feel like your playing the same class fundamently on any class.
Im not just talking about different skills and different weaponskills, im talking about basic playstyle. FFXI every physical DD basically played the same way. In FFXIV right now, glad and archer actually feel like a different class, pug feels dif to me, though its closer to lnc and mrd. they need to continue on this path rather than unify all DD to one playstyle. The fact that archer will play in a different style than AA WS rinse repeat is a good thing, they can nerf archer, but dont build it into a class that is like every other physical DD but from range.

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I don't see why it wouldn't conform to the standards that the other classes have to abide by, sure like you say they could be limited by their MP and I kind of hope that is the case, I would love to see Archers using MP to fuel their skills, it would be similar to how WoW handles Hunters. (even though Hunters have AA)

I guess we'll have to see just how good or bad the balance issue becomes, I'm sure anyone can remember FF11 back in the day before they nerfed Rangers, 3 rangers a healer, a tank and a thief (because the tank couldn't keep hate any other way) need I say more :S

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whatevs im tired of arguin, i wont main archer anyway, most archers i know dont want AA but if they put it in and make it play like a boring DD thats on them

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The majority DoW I talk to don't want AA either but then they didn't get a choice in the matter, I guess it was the Japanese who wanted AA back, because most people I have spoke to think AA is an archaic addition to the game.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Who says I haven't played it past lvl 20 ?

I'm fully aware how the class works, what does more dmg have to do with anything, a better player equals better dps as will better gear and better stats allocation, its all moot, as the class that is balanced using AA will be balanced with that system in mind.

Just as the DoW skills have been adjusted to fit in with the speed of the attacks, TP gain and whatnot.

Basically you are saying you want Archers to have free reign so they can be supreme DPS and put everyone in their place, even if it means the rest of us have to put up with nubs that can't control their hate because they are spamming like crazy people.

Edit: You trolled me, I just looked at your signature and you don't have an Archer over 20 ...

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In fact i would agree with physic, im a rank 50 archer, and i know about the damage it does, an archer with auto attack wouldnt work correctly in my op, because sometimes you want to stop shooting to look better positions, lower hate, or simply because you wanna wait for incapacitation or the right time to do something in particular.


I dont really use that much light shots to build tp, i use multishots, and most of the times i get to use 7-9 different skills before i get back to a light shot, in my opinion archer is the only job that worked correctly for me, i really was against autoattack for archers and im glad it doesnt range AA.

you can check my profile DON ELREED, theres no trolling here , btw if you want to be shooting light shots like crazy make a macro i have one, just for when i have to go afk a bit in the middle of a fight.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

The majority DoW I talk to don't want AA either but then they didn't get a choice in the matter, I guess it was the Japanese who wanted AA back, because most people I have spoke to think AA is an archaic addition to the game.

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What are you on LSD? AA have been raged by a large population even before the lodestone forums. It's just that those people actually made their voices heard through voting instead of posting 15times a day on the same threads.

You have to realized whatever 20k people left are playing left are people that can live with this wretched battle system.

Everyone else just simply press the "yes" radio button under auto attack when they vote and never log in again because it sucked.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

What are you on LSD? AA have been raged by a large population even before the lodestone forums. It's just that those people actually made their voices heard through voting instead of posting 15times a day on the same threads.

You have to realized whatever 20k people left are playing left are people that can live with this wretched battle system.

Everyone else just simply press the "yes" radio button under auto attack when they vote and never log in again because it sucked.

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Well that's fine, I DID say "the people who I have spoken to in game"

More importantly though my point was that what is good for one class should be good for another, I don't see why Archer gets a free get out Auto Attack card, it sounds to me like the developers were too lazy (didn't have enough time) to redesign the class enough to make it work with the AA system. (no surprise there though)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Well that's fine, I DID say "the people who I have spoken to in game"

More importantly though my point was that what is good for one class should be good for another, I don't see why Archer gets a free get out Auto Attack card, it sounds to me like the developers were too lazy (didn't have enough time) to redesign the class enough to make it work with the AA system. (no surprise there though)

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Well you can smell the lazy/slowness when the battle blueprint came out. The "this is just a ground work" phrase is already telling.

We'll have to get our hands on this groundwork of a new battle system before making judgements. If it's balanced well, then it'll be easier to add more flavor, if it's balanced badly, then it'll be worse for future endeavors.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Well that's fine, I DID say "the people who I have spoken to in game"

More importantly though my point was that what is good for one class should be good for another, I don't see why Archer gets a free get out Auto Attack card, it sounds to me like the developers were too lazy (didn't have enough time) to redesign the class enough to make it work with the AA system. (no surprise there though)

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I dont think is lazyness, do you want to spend your best arrows in worthles auto attacks or spend them all with skills worth it? i dont see gld trowing their swords, besides in FFXI ranger didnt got any AA for range attacks and people didnt complain about it it worked perfectly with the rest of the jobs you had a delay in everybow to actually make a range attack, thats what i actually see theyre gonna do about archers, they'll have delays on their bows to balance the damage with other classes.

Now an Elm velocity bow will make logic

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Originally Posted by elreed

I dont think is lazyness, do you want to spend your best arrows in worthles auto attacks or spend them all with skills worth it? i dont see gld trowing their swords, besides in FFXI ranger didnt got any AA for range attacks and people didnt complain about it it worked perfectly with the rest of the jobs you had a delay in everybow to actually make a range attack, thats what i actually see theyre gonna do about archers, they'll have delays on their bows to balance the damage with other classes.

Now an Elm velocity bow will make logic

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We already said that archers could use low level arrows or make their own which is easy enough if you have leveled carpentry.

FF11 is an old game and we shouldn't be comparing how things worked in that game to how things work in a game in 2011.

WoW uses AA and yes uses whatever arrows you have equipped, a much better solution would have been if the dev team allowed us to macro in different arrows for different TP attacks, there is always a solution it just depends how much effort they are willing to put in.

and to be honest I don't mind using by best arrows in AA if it means that my damage is significantly better, of course I would only equip my best arrows for when fighting NM's.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

WoW uses AA and yes uses whatever arrows you have equipped, a much better solution would have been if the dev team allowed us to macro in different arrows for different TP attacks, there is always a solution it just depends how much effort they are willing to put in.

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Actually Ammo has been removed from WoW, to balance the fact that the characters had to waste a bag slot for ammo and required a resource while other characters did not. If on the off chance they ran out they would be rendered useless.

Though my thoughts on this letter was basically /meh... I expected it to look like that but we must remember auto attack is not content, even if they put auto attack and its great what are you going to be doing with auto attack? Leve grinding?

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Originally Posted by Jinko

WoW uses AA and yes uses whatever arrows you have equipped, a much better solution would have been if the dev team allowed us to macro in different arrows for different TP attacks, there is always a solution it just depends how much effort they are willing to put in.

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WoW removed ammo from the game in patch 4.0.1, the pre-Cataclysm patch.

Edit: Joeking beat me to it. >.<

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

I loved your big post Biggs!

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Thanks man. I was up for a long time last night writing it lol