The bot i found that SE wont do anything about

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Originally Posted by viion

I am not for or against bots, because they have never affected me, nore do I care who uses them, I play for me, no one else. I dont pay for their subscriptions or product costs so why should I care how they use it?

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Most ignorant statement on the forums to date.

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Originally Posted by viion

This thread is so stupid lol

I guarantee half of you don't pay for music, don't pay to see films, avoid tax's, steal from work, torrent software, download your porn for free.

All hypocrites lol. Cheating life there, and that is illegal by law. Not some virtual service.

RMT and Botting are 2 separate things btw. stop mixing them up. One is just doing something for you, the other is selling intellectual products you don't have the rights to.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you stand outside your neighbours house and protest that he hasn't cut his lawn and its just not right to not cut the lawn! So you have to stick your nose in!

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No matter what you're doing in this game botting will affect you one way or another. Whether it's claiming your mobs, buying up your mats, selling the stuff they make way cheaper than you, collapsing your quarries. selling ridiculously cheap materials (which everyone seems to love, but in reality it hurts those who really do that to make a virtual living on this game)...etc. Nobody is paying for this game now, save with their time, but when we do start paying for it I'd like to not pay for this disservice. It's 'nice' how these botters do not have the same restrictions as the rest of the players that choose not to follow their path of the artificial. They are not limited by time.

And for the record I don't do any of those things you mentioned. I purchase CDs and I even make sure to return pens to work. -. -

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So you entire argument hinges that we all break the law and effectively take things irl without earning it? Sorry, but you don't know if that is true or not. And to flag that up as some way of saying it is ok to cheat is completely out of context with what this thread is saying.

1) there are obvious bots
2) they ruin in game echonomy
3) IF SE are doing anything about this, what is it?
4) how can we spot them?

By what you're saying, you think that because you assume we are breaking the law irl, it is perfectly fine to break the rules in-game. What was the old saying, "two wrongs dont make a right".

It is silly to even suggest that bots do not effect the game, they do. And it's even sillier to grasp at straw like justification as to why they are ok here.

Kimiko x

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100% agree with you Kimiko. So suddenly because we do one thing which technically breaks the law, it's ok to just do anything which does? I guess I'll go stab some people on the street, I mean I accidentally bought a pirated DVD on Ebay once, ohmygod nothing matters any more! D: But seriously, yes it's mildly hypocritical but so what? At the end of the day I'd rather be mildly hypocritical than not give a fudge about anyone or anything. I want to enjoy the game, botters decrease my enjoyment, I want rid of them, simple :D

soooo.....where is Viion now to comment? Or was the simple truth in SE rules enuff to silence...? Point being Botting has to end also possibal RMTs. Think this game is free , RMTs are filling there resources now. The more we show the more we report the faster we can hult there activities. Witch in the long run is better for all of us who play them game

Pretty naive to assume you can get rid of botting. You won't. Besides I have a feeling when they start charging the rules will be enforced much more actively. Either way bots are a way of life in MMO's, you won't be able to stamp it out entirely, ever.

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Originally Posted by Radaghast

Pretty naive to assume you can get rid of botting. You won't. Besides I have a feeling when they start charging the rules will be enforced much more actively. Either way bots are a way of life in MMO's, you won't be able to stamp it out entirely, ever.

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So we should just sit back and take it? That sounds like a fun game. - . -

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So we should just sit back and take it? That sounds like a fun game. - . -

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Ive played probably every MMO on the market. FF11 had the strictest rules against bots, even establishing the STF to combat them. Bots are still everywhere. And of course we have FF14 with most of their core game mechanics designed around combating them to the detriment of the game. You can only do so much before the actual enjoyment of the game is affected for real players.

Don't sit and take it, but don't expect this magical solution to completely eradicate them. It's just not going to happen. Report them as you see them and be done with it. It's the best you can do.

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Pretty naive to assume you can get rid of botting. You won't. Besides I have a feeling when they start charging the rules will be enforced much more actively. Either way bots are a way of life in MMO's, you won't be able to stamp it out entirely, ever.

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I don't think anyone's assuming we can get rid of ALL the bots.

But even getting rid of some makes a teeny difference and is better than just bending over.

They could have gotten rid of that bot by simply looking at it. That's a suspension, and a notification to the dev team that players have discovered distance hacks already.

And what was the response? No action.

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Pretty naive to assume you can get rid of botting. You won't. Besides I have a feeling when they start charging the rules will be enforced much more actively. Either way bots are a way of life in MMO's, you won't be able to stamp it out entirely, ever.

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Well true, to elimate every single bot is near impossible.

Failing that, why not every single person report every (suspected) bot they see? we know what to look for, we can pass that info on. My point is, if SE see that the players consider this a strong issue, they will see more reason to act strongly against it.

So, why not report the next (suspected) bot you see in-game? (btw, that question is for everyone lol)

Kimiko x

I think players are reporting the bots they see. I wish there was an easier way to report though.

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Well true, to elimate every single bot is near impossible.

Failing that, why not every single person report every (suspected) bot they see? we know what to look for, we can pass that info on. My point is, if SE see that the players consider this a strong issue, they will see more reason to act strongly against it.

So, why not report the next (suspected) bot you see in-game? (btw, that question is for everyone lol)

Kimiko x

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Seeing obvious bots no actioned has a chilling effect on reporting.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I think players are reporting the bots they see. I wish there was an easier way to report though.

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I agree, they should make this as easy as reporting getting stuck in the landscape.

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I agree, they should make this as easy as reporting getting stuck in the landscape.

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Part of their strategy is to make it difficult to report. The GMs obviously don't even have time to investigate the reports they do get, which are a fraction of those they would get if STF reports could be filed in-game. They just don't want to hear it. Who here has even spoken to a GM instead of getting autoreplie'd to?

They don't want the reports, which is why they're hidden away where they will in effect only be accessed if you REALLY have some crazy **** going on.

In FF11 I reported a Dyn shell that I found out was using fleehacks to kite Xarcabard demons around. I had CONVERSATION with the responding GM. They LOOKED into the zone and they started picking off players one by one. Jail. Jail. Jail. When I asked how it went, because I wasn't even in the zone and back then the GMS wouldn't just BRUSH YOU OFF if you weren't staring the offenders in the face...he said they've all been taken care of. And they were taken care of.

Now I'd get an automated reply to please report any blah blah blah and that'd probably be it. Just chuking a message in a bottle into the ocean of who knows what.

UPDATED the main post with a NEW vid. This one is of the SAME bot but this time we got him in the wards and got his retainers. I am sorry for the sideways look of the pic but i had to hurry to get the vid. So again SE WTF are you doing to stop Bots/Rmts? the STF is crap if i can gather visual evidance why cant the STF do something about it.

Also i think Spoting a crafting bot is sorta easy. If you see someone crafting non stop. then you see them idol in the crafting stance for 45 mins or 4 hours im sure its a bot and it ran out of mats. Because i know if i crafted for 5 or 6 hours non stop when i was done i would get up and walk off somewhere log out or /sit and sell some stuff wile i was AFK

Found Sar Kingking only this time he was in Camp Tranquil. Made a video of it also. Might put it up again later on. I reported him and another one of his guys. Also reported a name of one of his minions named Doo Poo . Am i offened no but still if i can take 1 away from him or picking off his minions one at a time its all for the better

I think SE should be more critical of play activity that looks suspicious. None of us really want to play with a player who owns 10 lalafell boxes. Don't really care what they're doing with it. Nothing good for the game I'll guarantee you that.

The hordes of clone lalafell surrounding one player, which can be found on every server, should all be banned. Then we'll see if anyone LEGITIMATE actually asks why their characters were banned. You won't see them, because they're RMT. They're counting on SE doing nothing, because they're technically not breaking any rules.

Sure they are. Square Enix can terminate the account of anyone they want, and they should want to terminate those accounts because we all know what they are. Even if they are a real player, we don't want that kind of player in the game.

That's not fascist. "Your inordinate determination to play and look like a freak in a MMO to get ahead" is not protected under any nation's constitution regarding a business' right to refuse any and all service as they see fit.

We all know that on every server there are a dozen players who would do anything to get ahead, no matter how sad. I'm just saying that at best you're banning RMT in a way that actually frightens them. At worse, you're getting rid of players we all wish didn't play anyway.

Even if Sar Kingking uses 10 lalafell to get guildleve money for his marauder, I'd still tell him to go find another MMO.

Where do you stop? You stop where the players tell you to. No one will miss that guy, and he won't complain.

Mob rule is a pretty poor way to enforce rules. If I don't like you, all I have to do is ensure that me and my friends report you enough to where you're gone. There has to be some checks and balances.

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Mob rule is a pretty poor way to enforce rules. If I don't like you, all I have to do is ensure that me and my friends report you enough to where you're gone. There has to be some checks and balances.

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Mob rule is a perfectly fine way to enforce rules in a MMO. We should decide what kinds of players we do and don't play with, because their playstyle impinges on our game.

If we don't want to play with players who 10-box clones for gil or gain, then so be it. Perfectly fine. We have more say than them. If we consider them a threat to our entertainment, they need to find another MMO to 10-box.

Same way with how hardcore or casual you want to make your game. You're telling SOMEONE, somewhere to walk on by and keep looking.

Tell 10-boxers to kindly leave, because we don't really want them around playing like freaks.

On initial gut reaction, taking a cruise to Haiti shortly after the earthquake seems wrong, Objectively speaking, you are doing more good by taking the cruise than not.

In the same way, you are doing more good by banning all these 10-boxing cloners than letting them have the right to play. Does it feel like 1984? A little. Is it? No. It's a good move.

Get rid of them. See who actually complains. Those players aren't good for the game. They need to go.

I don't like people who 2 and 3 box for personal gain in MMOs, but there are enough of them to push back and argue that they serve this community well. These 10-boxers aren't part of this community. They're leeching off its tolerance of them like a parasite.

You can never prove those lalafell-clone shepherds are cheating, and I'm saying it doesn't matter. Refuse service to them. End the charade that they're counting on.

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Mob rule is a perfectly fine way to enforce rules in a MMO. We should decide what kinds of players we do and don't play with, because their playstyle impinges on our game.

If we don't want to play with players who 10-box clones for gil or gain, then so be it. Perfectly fine. We have more say than them. If we consider them a threat to our entertainment, they need to find another MMO to 10-box.

Same way with how hardcore or casual you want to make your game. You're telling SOMEONE, somewhere to walk on by and keep looking.

Tell 10-boxers to kindly leave, because we don't really want them around playing like freaks.

On initial gut reaction, taking a cruise to Haiti shortly after the earthquake seems wrong, Objectively speaking, you are doing more good by taking the cruise than not.

In the same way, you are doing more good by banning all these 10-boxing cloners than letting them have the right to play. Does it feel like 1984? A little. Is it? No. It's a good move.

Get rid of them. See who actually complains.

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Wow.... you are serious ?

My point is it's too easily abusable. Not just for RMT's but for any disputes in general. If all it took was a report without any actual investigating, it'd be a dead server within a short amount of time. Don't like that jackass you just grouped with? Report and ban. Don't like that guild that just outclaimed your NM? Cya. Hell I know guys that would just login and report people just for fun if there was a system like that in place.

Objective criteria is the key to appropriate refusal of service. You don't have a shirt. You don't have shoes. You are asking customers for money. You use 10 lalafell R4 conjurers to siphon leve money onto yourself with. We don't serve people who do that.

Liking...no one said ban them for not liking them, even though that is also true.

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Wow.... you are serious ?

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Completely serious. Refuse to serve players who take 10 low-level characters around to guildleves so they can sell all the loot for themselves. That is perfectly within Square Enix's right. It does the game a balancing service. It is the correct decision if you can't prove they're selling that gil that they make. You don't have to. You can simply not serve players who do that and ask them to leave the game.

They're either RMT or they're players who are making gil in unintended ways. Get em out of the game. It's good. Stop balking and think.

As a less draconian measure, you could make the anima amount count for all characters. (I have 50 anima and port to grid,ending with 47 anima, if I switch characters, I'll still have 47 anima.)

It can also set up the need for alternate transportation.

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Mob rule is a perfectly fine way to enforce rules in a MMO. We should decide what kinds of players we do and don't play with, because their playstyle impinges on our game.

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After seeing the forums, the last thing we need is to give the players a way to rip each other apart.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

After seeing the forums, the last thing we need is to give the players a way to rip each other apart.

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Players wouldn't need to. Square Enix could be the bad guy and tell them to leave. Again, it is perfectly reasonable to refuse service based on objective criteria that is deemed counter-product and counter-image. Square Enix cannot afford the image of allowing 10-boxing lalafell clone gil factories. It makes their product look bad to legitimate players. It makes gil aquisition difficult to balance. It hurts this product. So refuse service to those players. There's nothing wrong with that.

When nerfing mechanics to prevent harmful gameplay interferes with your day to day lives of regular players, it's time to ask the people whose playstyle that is harmful to simply cease the activity or have services refused if they're caught with 10 clones again doing leves.

Again, there is nothing wrong with that. We reserve that right as a player base. They reserve that right as a game developer.

People, RMT, cheaters, will say they have the right to make as many clones and box as many characters as they wish because it doesn't break any rules, when no. They don't. We don't have to put up with them. We have the luxury of being able to ban Hillsboro Baptist Church if they show up to a Graveyard, because this isn't a democracy and they can't hide behind the law and Terms of Service.

They don't even have the right to play this product if Square so much as says they don't. RMT are counting on Square Enix being afraid to deny services, because they can't 100% prove there's not a real player behind that account.

Square should call their bluff and ban every 10-box clone group if they're caught doing it again. We all know they're RMT. We all know the game's better off without them. So do it already. There is no slippery slope. Ban them and for once in RMT's lives, scare them.

so agree. ill add the new video tomorrow. I did at the Bot that i seen boting in Nanawa. I added another vid of him but this time he is in the markets in Ul'Dah. sorry but the camra was sideways lol. but you get the idea

I find it very sad you spend most of your time filming and watching for bots lol is the game really that bad?

Still not affected by bots. Oh wait I lie I've got cheap shards and materials and sold millions worth of shards and crystals in bulk, thanks bots!

Viion why is it you support botting? I mean i had a few posts about botting that you commented on and when you did comment thay were all in support of the bots? Why is that. I mean i could only guess that you might be one of the people who have a Alt. And that alt is a craft bot? i mean you say yourself you buy a ton of shards from them. So in turn it makes me wonder why?

If people dont do anything about it, it will just grow bigger and bigger. If it was ok to bot in the game dont you think we would allready have a "How to" auto this or that in the game manual?

Also Viion why is it everytime i made a Botting post you agree with the botters? Then try to get the post removed? ( im sure it was you) You look so foolish defending botting. out of 8.000 views and 189 comments only you and maybe one or two other people dont care if theres botting or not. You know i posted FFXIVs Terms of service on a page a few pages back. I guess i need to refresh your memory again

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
The Game is a carefully controlled environment designed to provide the maximum level of enjoyment for all players. In order to preserve an enjoyable experience for all users, and to protect the intellectual property rights of SQUARE ENIX, the activities identified in this Section 2 (“License Limitations”) are strictly prohibited and violate the conditions or limitations on your license to use the Game. Therefore, any use of the Game in violation of such restrictions exceeds the scope of the License granted to you and constitutes infringement of your license, and is grounds for immediate revocation of your license. Use of the Game in excess of these provisions, or use at all after your license is revoked (including loading the Game into your computer’s RAM), infringes SQUARE ENIX’s copyrights to the Game.




Violating these License Limitations may result in the suspension or permanent banning of your account, or such other lesser measures described in Section 3 which SQUARE ENIX may take in its sole discretion, or an action for copyright infringement or other legal claims, all of which are reserved. You agree that offering or providing banned services to other players of the Game constitutes improper interference with SQUARE ENIX’s contracts with such players, and SQUARE ENIX reserves the right to take formal legal action against you if you do so, without warning.




SQUARE ENIX may update the list of License Limitations at na.finalfantasyxiv.com/support at any time. The current License Limitations are as follows:



2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

*adding a NOTE ( see video 1 and video 2 for the above statement)


2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including “gold-farming” and power-leveling services.

*adding a NOTE ( see video 2 and 3 )

So where in the Terms of Service is it listed that 3rd party programs , and Botting are ok Viion? Where because i dont see it.

Its better for you to just keep silent and not post anymore because you have no idea what your talking about. And saying its ok i dont mind the bots i like them your just as guilty as the bots you support. Its like the driver in a bank robbery. Sure he dident do the accual robbery but he drove the car witch in America also ties you to the crime and you become part of that crime.

So letting a botter bot , likeing it because of there shards are cheep your nothing more then the driver yourself.

As for if i had more time to make videos and what not. I am doing my part to make my Server RMT free and Botting free. People i talk to on Saronia server ( my server) all agree to what im saying. Sure ill get a random person walk up to me and /fume then most likely bot craft for 14 hours. But i really dont care. 99% of my server agrees that RMTs and Botting has to go. And everytime im at a camp and i see Sar Kingking everyone else that is there i tell them to report them. Everytime im in Nanawa or Casio and i see a bot i report it , my LS members report it and everyone who is in the zone i ask them to report it.

So dont tell me what i can do with my game or how i spend my time at least i know my time is ligit i would question yours Viion

I have to agree, yes botting is bad, I dont like it, it promotes currency farmers "makes their jobs easier", but in aion I saw innocent people get banned because they got accused of being a bot just because someone got a group of friends to get them banned..... I got accused of being a bot because I would be out in the abyss for hours killing the same mobs over and over again for AP and doing the repeats like a machine... dont mind the grinding... but yeah got accused of botting because of it... banning botters might cause more harm to innocent players more than you think it might.

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I have to agree, yes botting is bad, I dont like it, it promotes currency farmers "makes their jobs easier", but in aion I saw innocent people get banned because they got accused of being a bot just because someone got a group of friends to get them banned..... I got accused of being a bot because I would be out in the abyss for hours killing the same mobs over and over again for AP and doing the repeats like a machine... dont mind the grinding... but yeah got accused of botting because of it... banning botters might cause more harm to innocent players more than you think it might.

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taking too agressive a stance and banning on suspicion causes alot of issues too
wow does that, if you have alot of gold on your account, you get an auto ban every time they go through the ranks clearing suspected rmt, and are pretty much denied at least a week of gameplay til you call them to get it reactivated for douchbaggery on their part banning you
i knew someone who had 6 characters with max gold cuz all he did was farm 24/7 when not raiding and he got hit by this every time, he was in no way rmt, but they didnt care

yeah some people just like to grind and farm... me I dont mind it, i do like content... but I dont mind grinding as well... the banning bots etc like you said will and can have a negative effect on innocent players sadly...

all you have to do is give a /tell in auto transluate to someone who you think is a bot. And if there is no responce its most likely because no one is home . /tell or /s to someone who is grinding alot thay will awnser you because thay have ben out there all day with only the LS to talk to so any passer by is somewhat comfort lol. Im not saying just go Mass ban people. Just the ones you can without a shadow of a doubt know there botting. A bot wont respond to a /s or a /t its not in the program(s).

The only thing wrong with this thinking is that some people are not paying attention to the chat while crafting. I have dual monitors so while I press the A button, I surf the web. The only time I look at my screen is when I reload. Someone I know recently was accussed of botting. They were watching a movie and crafting. I think the /tell /say method of determining if someone is a bot may not be the best choice. Although you know, I absolutely agree bots/rmt's should be taken out of the game swiftly.

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The only thing wrong with this thinking is that some people are not paying attention to the chat while crafting. I have dual monitors so while I press the A button, I surf the web. The only time I look at my screen is when I reload. Someone I know recently was accussed of botting. They were watching a movie and crafting. I think the /tell /say method of determining if someone is a bot may not be the best choice. Although you know, I absolutely agree bots/rmt's should be taken out of the game swiftly.

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one thing to remember and ive pointed this out in other forums

if a gm contacts you, not paying attetnion to your moniter is a good way to get banned as they will just assume you are a bot if you cant respond to them

they dont care what you are doing on the side, all they care about is that you didnt respond to them, which is why "i wasnt paying attention to my chat" is the most retarded excuse there is

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one thing to remember and ive pointed this out in other forums

if a gm contacts you, not paying attetnion to your moniter is a good way to get banned as they will just assume you are a bot if you cant respond to them

they dont care what you are doing on the side, all they care about is that you didnt respond to them, which is why "i wasnt paying attention to my chat" is the most retarded excuse there is

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There are other threads on this issue. Some promoting movie sites that you can download movies to watch while crafting. The boring, repetitivenes in crafting is a big cause. I don't know why you think it's retarded and frankly the word retarded is insulting to me. I'm not completely clueless as to what is going on in chat but the screen scrolls up quickly while crafting and it's easy to miss ls talk. They would have to ban many crafters if there was a rule against watching tv or surfing the web while one crafts. As far as I know there is no such rule. If you can please show me a rule where this is the case I'd appreciate the info.

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There are other threads on this issue. Some promoting movie sites that you can download movies to watch while crafting. The boring, repetitivenes in crafting is a big cause. I don't know why you think it's retarded and frankly the word retarded is insulting to me. I'm not completely clueless as to what is going on in chat but the screen scrolls up quickly while crafting and it's easy to miss ls talk. They would have to ban many crafters if there was a rule against watching tv or surfing the web while one crafts. As far as I know there is no such rule. If you can please show me a rule where this is the case I'd appreciate the info.

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there is no rule against it

BUT, if you are suspected of botting and a GM contacts you, and you are "too busy watching a movie" to respond while crafting, you have pretty much just sealed your fate, THAT is what I am getting at

you can not use "i was too busy watching a movie" as an excuse when a GM bans you for not responding to them while you are doing something suspicious that may be botting

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there is no rule against it

BUT, if you are suspected of botting and a GM contacts you, and you are "too busy watching a movie" to respond while crafting, you have pretty much just sealed your fate, THAT is what I am getting at

you can not use "i was too busy watching a movie" as an excuse when a GM bans you for not responding to them while you are doing something suspicious that may be botting

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Has this happened personally to you or are you a GM? If there is no rule that your eyes have to be glued to the screen every single moment I would protest this.

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Has this happened personally to you or are you a GM? If there is no rule that your eyes have to be glued to the screen every single moment I would protest this.

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it doesnt have to happen to know that it WILL happen

if im a GM, and i see you crafting nonstop, several reports have come to me saying you may be a bot

i send you a message...no response(you are sitll crafting)
i send you anaother...no response

if you are crafting, you ARE at the computer right? if you ARE at the computer, you should be able to respond to me
if you arent, you are botting, and you are therefor getting banned

if you are in another window, i DONT CARE that you are, i dont care that you are watching a movie, the fact that you CAN NOT respond to me yet are still crafting, is a surefire sign that you probably are a bot, since after all....if your not there to respond...you arent there

and thats the point



as a side note, i watch movies ALL THE DAMN TIME while crafting, and i still have time to respond to people in game, its not that hard to do. and its even easier to moniter tells since they dont come as often and are colored differently


now granted, banning someone that isnt boting while watching a movie is a wrongful ban, but at the same time, it is their fault for not responding if thats the cause of it

The person behind the computer chose to ignore a tell and therefore can suffer the consequences of it if it comes down to that. If you look like a bot, act like a bot, dont respond like a bot, you probly are a bot, they arent gonna spend hours trying to get you to respond, they wiull maybe give you 1-2 tries if that, and if you dont respond, yet are still actively crafting, you are pretty much guarenteed to get hit.