Free trial accounts being used to obstruct zones by one guy (Weeaboo Police/CIA)

You know black list exists right? Block the character and you won’t see them if it hurts your eyes that much.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Is there a rule against running multiple clients/characters?
They're not breaking any rules as far as rules are concerned.

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◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay.

whats even going on on NA servers why dont we eu people get any fun stuff

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Originally Posted by Deejudanne

whats even going on on NA servers why dont we eu people get any fun stuff

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Who would want anything mental like this? We've had enough drunks running around already.

Who necro'd this crap again? Why is this on the top of my feed?

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Originally Posted by Alicie

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay.

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Yeah nice try. You can walk right through the characters, nobody's obstructing anything.

This post is like five months old, why complain about it again?

All the issues right now this bothers you? Really? Go touch grass

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Originally Posted by Alicie

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay.

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As long as he does not block any NPCs, "Obstruction of play" can propably not be applied.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Vhel

All the issues right now this bothers you? Really? Go touch grass

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This thread is from June.

It's super weird that people keep jumping to defend this guy.

"Erm, technically it doesn't violate the obstruction of play rule because they don't have collisions and you can walk through them!"
"Erm, technically every single player on the server can just manually add all 100+ accounts to their blacklist to not see them!"

Who cares? It's obviously anti-social behaviour and the GMs should do something about it. If there isn't a rule in the ToS that it technically violates, then make one.

Was told recently there's an illegal tool that'll just delete them all from your screen, but its illegal and shouldn't be used obviously.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

It's super weird that people keep jumping to defend this guy.

"Erm, technically it doesn't violate the obstruction of play rule because they don't have collisions and you can walk through them!"
"Erm, technically every single player on the server can just manually add all 100+ accounts to their blacklist to not see them!"

Who cares? It's obviously anti-social behaviour and the GMs should do something about it. If there isn't a rule in the ToS that it technically violates, then make one.

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It's also super weird to me that people keep jumping to get this guy (or these guys) banned just for standing there.
I mean, someone came back to this thread, 6 months later, just to laugh at him maybe being banned? (no proof so I dunno). Talk about living rent free in peoples head.
The ToS isn't there to enforce whatever you feel it should. And neither are we the people to enforce or decide how it's used. If you have an issue with someone, report and move on. It's not up to us to decide the outcome of the report.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

It's also super weird to me that people keep jumping to get this guy (or these guys) banned just for standing there.
I mean, someone came back to this thread, 6 months later, just to laugh at him maybe being banned? (no proof so I dunno). Talk about living rent free in peoples head.
The ToS isn't there to enforce whatever you feel it should. And neither are we the people to enforce or decide how it's used. If you have an issue with someone, report and move on. It's not up to us to decide the outcome of the report.

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It's not so random when you realize they've been in Sarg for several days now, not so much "living rent free" when it's standing in your face whenever you go to limsa. LOL

And why does someone afking in Limsa warrant them being hated this much?
I would get it if it was people who were mad at his RP of being racist vs Lala's but this is just about them existing considering the times they actually talk are so minimal.

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Originally Posted by HammAndCheese

It's not so random when you realize they've been in Sarg for several days now, not so much "living rent free" when it's standing in your face whenever you go to limsa. LOL

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Should I start reporting the handful of performers I regularly see at the Gridania aetheryte? I didn't consent to hear their songs.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Should I start reporting the handful of performers I regularly see at the Gridania aetheryte? I didn't consent to hear their songs.

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I don't really care what you do.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

And why does someone afking in Limsa warrant them being hated this much?
I would get it if it was people who were mad at his RP of being racist vs Lala's but this is just about them existing considering the times they actually talk are so minimal.

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My 2 cents is..

For what purpose is this player just... 'standing there'? Especially with the volume of characters used...

Not that I personally care, but I think the intent is a lot more than 'I'm just standing here AFK'

It's really the intent that separates this instance from the bog standard actually sitting there AFK people.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

It's also super weird to me that people keep jumping to get this guy (or these guys) banned just for standing there.
I mean, someone came back to this thread, 6 months later, just to laugh at him maybe being banned? (no proof so I dunno). Talk about living rent free in peoples head.
The ToS isn't there to enforce whatever you feel it should. And neither are we the people to enforce or decide how it's used. If you have an issue with someone, report and move on. It's not up to us to decide the outcome of the report.

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Are you friends with him or something? This is a bit disingenuous.

The ToS exists to create a fair and pleasant environment for players of the game. Anti-social behaviour like this (and verbal harassment, I've heard?) runs contrary to that goal. Some people seem to really want this to continue in perpetuity, but like... is the bit really still that funny to you after all this time? I could kinda understand the appeal if it were temporary and tasteful in execution, but there isn't even a punchline to the joke. It's just a hundred fake characters clogging up Limsa forever while the guy responsible revels in the resulting negative attention.

For a real world analogy; blasting music on the train without headphones isn't illegal in most places, but I think most people would understandably be bothered by it. If someone is taking the same train route back and forth all day every day, nonstop blasting the worst music you've heard in your life through a dozen bluetooth speakers for the purpose of deliberately bothering everyone around them... should everyone else be expected to wear ear plugs? Personally I think it'd make more sense to ban the one guy from riding that train for the sake of public order. This is a disturbance to the eyes rather than the ears, but you get my point. You could use a more 1:1 analogue and it would still stand.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Should I start reporting the handful of performers I regularly see at the Gridania aetheryte? I didn't consent to hear their songs.

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Performers in Gridania are performing a song for the entertainment of others. They aren't taking up the entire aetheryte plaza, they aren't acting with any ill intent, they haven't received substantial public backlash for what they do, and mostly importantly they leave once their performance has concluded. They are much fewer in number like you said, and you can conveniently mute the sound of their performance with a simple command or macro on your hotbar. This is much easier than having to blacklist over a hundred accounts, not going to Limsa or transferring home servers.

This isn't equivalent at all.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Should I start reporting the handful of performers I regularly see at the Gridania aetheryte? I didn't consent to hear their songs.

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You can mute bard performances in System Configuration. And if their presence still bothers you, you can blacklist them. There aren't hundreds of them; likely 10 blacklists will take care of your issue for years.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

It's super weird that people keep jumping to defend this guy.

"Erm, technically it doesn't violate the obstruction of play rule because they don't have collisions and you can walk through them!"
"Erm, technically every single player on the server can just manually add all 100+ accounts to their blacklist to not see them!"

Who cares? It's obviously anti-social behaviour and the GMs should do something about it. If there isn't a rule in the ToS that it technically violates, then make one.

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There's a clause in rules where SE reserves right to terminate anyone's account for any reason.
It's about time to use this clause here.
Literally any other game would've dealt with this issue long time ago.
Instead, players are forced to deal with it via their own methods breaking tos in process.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

My 2 cents is..

For what purpose is this player just... 'standing there'? Especially with the volume of characters used...

Not that I personally care, but I think the intent is a lot more than 'I'm just standing here AFK'

It's really the intent that separates this instance from the bog standard actually sitting there AFK people.

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Do you know what the intent is? Because if intent matters but we don't know what the intent is, then it's moot.

So I see the Weeaboo Police are still around serving the fine upstanding citizens of Eorzea.

Every time I go to Aether and visit Sagittarius im just blown away how safe Limsa is.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

And why does someone afking in Limsa warrant them being hated this much?
I would get it if it was people who were mad at his RP of being racist vs Lala's but this is just about them existing considering the times they actually talk are so minimal.

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Okay, so you wouldn't mind multiple male Viera standing next to each other in underwear? Or multiple female Au Ra?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

My 2 cents is..

For what purpose is this player just... 'standing there'? Especially with the volume of characters used...

Not that I personally care, but I think the intent is a lot more than 'I'm just standing here AFK'

It's really the intent that separates this instance from the bog standard actually sitting there AFK people.

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Perhaps the player is engaging in a psychological study about how some human beings let the existence of an innocuous thing bother them to the point they think it's no longer innocuous.

I agree it was a problem at the beginning when there was some verbal abuse involved but that stopped long ago. Now it's just a bunch of player characters standing around doing nothing like just about every other player character in at the Limsa Aetheryte Plaza. Super easy to ignore any time I encounter them.

If someone goes "it's not so easy to ignore when I'm always at the Aetheryte", maybe don't spend so much time at the Aetheryte. Utilize other spots within Limsa (or whichever city you're in) instead while you wait in queue or for your party to form. Go inside the Bulwark. Walk down to the Hawker's Alley Aetheryte and hang out there with your friends. You'll still be able to see what's going on in the same shout chat since you're still in the same zone but you won't have to look at them.

It's crazy to me that people won't utilize easily accessible options to avoid what's irrationally annoying them.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Okay, so you wouldn't mind multiple male Viera standing next to each other in underwear? Or multiple female Au Ra?

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Players are free to do what they want within reason. If someone wants to have their characters of any race stand around in their underwear (which generally covers more skin than a bathing suit, by the way), that's their business.

In the meanwhile, I'll go about my own.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Perhaps the player is engaging in a psychological study about how some human beings let the existence of an innocuous thing bother them to the point they think it's no longer innocuous.

I agree it was a problem at the beginning when there was some verbal abuse involved but that stopped long ago. Now it's just a bunch of player characters standing around doing nothing like just about every other player character in at the Limsa Aetheryte Plaza. Super easy to ignore any time I encounter them.

If someone goes "it's not so easy to ignore when I'm always at the Aetheryte", maybe don't spend so much time at the Aetheryte. Utilize other spots within Limsa (or whichever city you're in) instead while you wait in queue or for your party to form. Go inside the Bulwark. Walk down to the Hawker's Alley Aetheryte and hang out there with your friends. You'll still be able to see what's going on in the same shout chat since you're still in the same zone but you won't have to look at them.

It's crazy to me that people won't utilize easily accessible options to avoid what's irrationally annoying them.


Players are free to do what they want within reason. If someone wants to have their characters of any race stand around in their underwear (which generally covers more skin than a bathing suit, by the way), that's their business.

In the meanwhile, I'll go about my own.

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Perhaps I'm alone in this, but one element of this I don't really understand is tied to this: "If someone goes "it's not so easy to ignore when I'm always at the Aetheryte".

The Weeaboo Police are, if nothing else, predictable. If someone doesn't like their presence in Limsa, which is where they pretty much always are..... then perhaps click that 'teleport' button and visit somewhere that isn't Limsa?

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Do you know what the intent is? Because if intent matters but we don't know what the intent is, then it's moot.

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This is ultimately something that works both ways, really.

The only exception is that some people are trying to rationalize it around the player 'simply being afk' - Of which you really don't need several dozen accounts to do.

I think you just need to accept the very strong possibility that they are aiming to (at best) be intentionally disruptive rather than "Hey I am going to create several dozen trial accounts to increase my AFK aura"

Like we can sit here and debate that nobody knows the true intent -- Which yes is true, but what is the most plausible explanation?

They're trolls. If I were Square, I'd just ban them.

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Originally Posted by PaulusHamsteru

They're trolls. If I were Square, I'd just ban them.

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They have been banned in the past.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

still less annoying than performer bots, who runs midi scripts and have no taste in music.

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really makes one wanna go /bgm 0

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

really makes one wanna go /bgm 0

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it's not bgm, performance is a dedicated channel

Over 30,000,000 active users btw

(also, the only 'obstruction' this is causing is dispersing the limsa ERPer cloud, just go to Steps of Nald like a normal person /uj)

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

So I see the Weeaboo Police are still around serving the fine upstanding citizens of Eorzea.

Every time I go to Aether and visit Sagittarius im just blown away how safe Limsa is.

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Thanks for your support, citizen. May the blessing of the goddess be upon you once again.





We serve so others do not have to.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

This is ultimately something that works both ways, really.

The only exception is that some people are trying to rationalize it around the player 'simply being afk' - Of which you really don't need several dozen accounts to do.

I think you just need to accept the very strong possibility that they are aiming to (at best) be intentionally disruptive rather than "Hey I am going to create several dozen trial accounts to increase my AFK aura"

Like we can sit here and debate that nobody knows the true intent -- Which yes is true, but what is the most plausible explanation?

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I can accept a possibility all I want. I could accept the possibility they're scared of mice and find big muscle men attractive but until they actually prove something I'm just speaking in hypotheticals.
Also if we're putting out theories I imagine a topic dedicated to their AFK activities is actually very thrilling to them if they want attention.

Was there actual racism (cringe) or just fantasy racism against Lalafell (based)?

But they are just standing there not doing anything.
I'd probably be more bothered by the people that start drama in say chat because you stood too many yalms close to someone's self proclaimed limsa bench.

There's no player collision so how can he "obstruct" or "block off" anyone?

Just walk through him.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Okay, so you wouldn't mind multiple male Viera standing next to each other in underwear? Or multiple female Au Ra?

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Why would that bother me?
People can afk anywhere in whatever glam they want as long as it's not on top of an NPC or anything interactive.
Race doesn't matter. And honestly, aren't a ton of men in underwear male Viera already?