Order of the Blue Garter: Open Recruitment Season

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Originally Posted by Sontawila

BG is entitled to whatever rules they put forward. They are one of the best LSs in the game, one of which that is generous enough to share their strategies so others are in liberty to follow (and most do to the letter). Even tools such as parser are shared and used by all servers.

Most of their members are polite and helpful (Zozor, Twenty) and as for posting in general forums, will, if you are not convinced of their reasoning, who gives a @#$#? We have ppl that spams forums with all sorts of nonsense with a sense of entitlement its sickening (just look at first page).

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I dont think people have any trouble with BG, as they are a well respected group, they also have their enemies too (like any other high LS) Its most likely the fact that they put the recruit in general section instead of the server specific threads thats caused all this ruckus.

You cant say that everyone that doesnt praise them on this thread is butthurt and that jealousy is causing it. Thats just ridiculous delusions of grandeur and unfair to even neutral posters too. Its more of an unsaid/unstated consideration that other endgame LSs kept, even tho im pretty much sure all of them would have liked to recruit cross-server for exceptional members the coming 2.0, that kept them from posting smack in the general section. I mean hey, it could have been posted half jokingly, but to be fair, there would be no end to it if all the endgame oriented LSs decided to post their recruit in general section for cross server advertisement. Most people already know BG in FFXIV as an exceptional LS, they provide the community with alot of useful information even tho they are not obligated to. But as wonderful as they are, there are just some borderline things that the community appreciates. Its pretty much same as RL things. There is a borderline that every nice, good, exceptional person can do, but if they cross it, it gets ugly. :)

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I have my E:Body and HNM gear ty :P

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cool story bro

d2 me after claim guys, good night!

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

"Order of The Blue Garter XIV was founded in October 2010 by the merging of two like-minded groups of players. Most notably are the members of the original FFXI/WoW OrderofTheBlueGartr from Bahamut and Azshara. We have members ranging from a multitude of FFXI linkshells including Machina, Apathy, Spike Flail, Excellence, and LimitBreak."

*eyeroll* yea were totally not affiliated with the notorious add-on using LS from Bahamut...

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hi! i'm not sure how this keeps popping up since it keeps getting answered, but:

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Originally Posted by carraway

Our LS was founded by old-school members of BG from back in the XI days, along with some BG-WoW dudes, and fresh blood from Rabanastre/Durandal.

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Originally Posted by Twentytwo

We had a good amount of OG BG members at FFXIV release that went to WoW with us from 11 and then came to 14 from WoW, we kept the name because the leader of OG BG also came with us and we more than had the right to, considering it was us that formed the LS in 11. The neobg forums are called neobg because they're maintained by new members of BG, not the original ones that went to WoW after we were done with 11.

The Bulls, or any team still call them selves The Bulls, despite people quitting, being traded, or retiring etc. Same concept.

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page 10. hope this clears up any confusion... again. :) cheers!

The Bulls, or any team still call them selves The Bulls, despite people quitting, being traded, or retiring etc. Same concept.

Precisely. Despite whatever members your LS is comprised of now, you're still called BG - and with that, you still carry whatever reputation and feelings people have towards you, ill or otherwise.
So, plenty of people will still hate your LS, until they see otherwise.

And, as previously stated, the 'About us' page is just asking for the hurt.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

*eyeroll* yea were totally not affiliated with the notorious add-on using LS from Bahamut...

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If you'd like to check out our FFXI videos, you'll surely see me in just about all of them. Sorry you thought otherwise.

I think rather that comment is directed that yes, you are in fact the same LS and you are the same dirty cheaters.

A few times, people have brought up the notion of gear or experience as prerequisites for breaking into the endgame. This plays into how you can show that you're hungry for it.

Regarding gear:

The kinds of gearsets you put together for your character show how much you care independent of your actual level of endgame experience. If you do not have access to Darklight, you can still put together some sick sets. Double-melds are not very punishing unless you're looking at some of the highly desired materia for the relic quest (Savage Might, Heaven's Eye), and even then you can use high tier 3s to try to get as close as possible. As time goes on, a lot of gear depth has been added -- Giantsgall, Coliseum, GC lt. weapons and officer gear, craftables from Castrum Novum, etc. There's a huge difference between someone who just wears whatever s/he found on their retainer versus someone who cares enough about what s/he is wearing to try to make intelligent choices.

We have always been very realistic when looking at applicants and where they're coming from. As the original post states, we're willing to invest in players who demonstrate a lot of potential. Although it's far easier for someone to make the transition if s/he has as much experience as us (or close to it), it is not a prerequisite.

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We think that even if someone isn't in a linkshell that's actively pursuing endgame content, there are still ways to try to see the content. The two methods I've used in this game and in other games are pick-up groups and networking with friends in other linkshells to form groups. Pick-up groups are understandably stigmatized by many players, but for people who can be assertive, it is possible to wrangle people into success. Networking requires a little more of a selfstarter attitude, but good players can be found across swathes of different linkshells. In fact, networking is how I got into BG in the first place, way back in October/November 2010. I was grinding on raptors with 22, Mav, and a few others. They thought I was a raging asshole because I kept on preemptively pulling the next raptor and arriving back at the party with 1/3 of my HP left.

For those of you who feel trapped where you're at, I suggest trying to take some initiative. Send out some feelers to friends whom you trust, make posts about static groups; see if you can find other hungry players.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I think rather that comment is directed that yes, you are in fact the same LS and you are the same dirty cheaters.

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I think the [+] this comment received missed out on the fact that I am making fun of the people who would [+] on this attitude and not really directing malice towards 3p app users in XI.

Still find it amazing after a decade you still have to rely on a windower in FFXI for basic features.

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Originally Posted by ssppiikkeeyy

I would guess these guys are american's once again another person making americans look bad even when most of them are sweet

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I read that first part and i was like 'grrr' then i read the last part and i was like awww :D

Sorry, just saw your sig and wanted to share this picture of me wearing an onion helm.

http://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxi...8Hz1m4m4MC.png

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Originally Posted by carraway

A few times, people have brought up the notion of gear or experience as prerequisites for breaking into the endgame. This plays into how you can show that you're hungry for it.

Regarding gear:

The kinds of gearsets you put together for your character show how much you care independent of your actual level of endgame experience. If you do not have access to Darklight, you can still put together some sick sets. Double-melds are not very punishing unless you're looking at some of the highly desired materia for the relic quest (Savage Might, Heaven's Eye), and even then you can use high tier 3s to try to get as close as possible. As time goes on, a lot of gear depth has been added -- Giantsgall, Coliseum, GC lt. weapons and officer gear, craftables from Castrum Novum, etc. There's a huge difference between someone who just wears whatever s/he found on their retainer versus someone who cares enough about what s/he is wearing to try to make intelligent choices.

We have always been very realistic when looking at applicants and where they're coming from. As the original post states, we're willing to invest in players who demonstrate a lot of potential. Although it's far easier for someone to make the transition if s/he has as much experience as us (or close to it), it is not a prerequisite.

As for experience:

We think that even if someone isn't in a linkshell that's actively pursuing endgame content, there are still ways to try to see the content. The two methods I've used in this game and in other games are pick-up groups and networking with friends in other linkshells to form groups. Pick-up groups are understandably stigmatized by many players, but for people who can be assertive, it is possible to wrangle people into success. Networking requires a little more of a selfstarter attitude, but good players can be found across swathes of different linkshells. In fact, networking is how I got into BG in the first place, way back in October/November 2010. I was grinding on raptors with 22, Mav, and a few others. They thought I was a raging asshole because I kept on preemptively pulling the next raptor and arriving back at the party with 1/3 of my HP left.

For those of you who feel trapped where you're at, I suggest trying to take some initiative. Send out some feelers to friends whom you trust, make posts about static groups; see if you can find other hungry players.

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Ok, now copy this and put it in your website intro! :D

Hmm Now I see how BG do all the content first... They don't play it, from your app,

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]If we asked you to use a 3rd party tool, would you do it? Why or why not?

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While I admit this can mean parsers, fraps etc, I see questions like this as "If we asked are you willing to bot/hack/cheat" Seems to me that they want members to setup bots or hacks for their epeen first kill videos to take human error out of the equation. To alleviate this view you should say "if asked are you willing to use parsers, fraps etc" (also keeping in mind to get a video worth using with fraps you have to either steal it or pay for it, and why should I have to pay to join a linkshell?) This shows you are not into hacking the game, just gathering information to learn how to improve.

Sticking to your applications for now here is another few questions and what it looks like from the outside.

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Link any relevant xivpads gearsets, BGParser logs, and screenshots or fraps of gameplay footage

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Whats wrong with the good old "do you have any notable gear?" why do I need to, again pay to fraps a full raid or primal to join, why should I have to link to the gear, you do trials this is what trials are for, to see if people lied and to see if they are good players, that makes this question completely redundant.

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What steps do you personally take to enhance your raid performance and the overall raid's performance?

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I do my job to the best of my ability, and attempt to learn on the fly, would that be enough? what else can you say, except how you had to quickly grab hate after the tank died, wow it was close but because of this we won, kind of thing?

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What do you expect from BG and what can we expect from you?

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What can you expect from me, hmmm to do the best I can, what else can I offer, but ohhh that means I'm not a stellar player so DENIED!!!!

Also I would change your DRG Jenga tower to BRD/BLM because thats all you ever use (never seen a BG vid using anything else)

Your about page is the most elitist I have seen, a few quotes for you.

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We are a Gaming Community for stellar players who want to commit to an intense endgame experience

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So unless I am a "stellar player" I can't join.

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To be considered for a raid spot your "button pushing" skills must be exceptional.

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So again unless I am exceptional in every way I cannot join.

You did say its outdated, but even this comment shows you don't care about your LS, you are knowingly turning people off, and its not changed, it should have been changed as soon as possible, if you really care about your LS.

Also using a similar name as an FFXI LS you will get the rep of that LS, which is elitist, full of assholes, full of people who use members for their own benefit.

Finally using a public forum for apps is not the way to go, why allow people to edit their applications, you could see a linkshell as similar to a job, in that while you are playing the game, you should apply to a linkshell with the long term in mind, similar to a job, could I go to someone I applied to and say, "oh can I have my app back, I need to change something" no so why should be be allowed for BG, there is no need, you just want to publicly humiliate people with the huge DENIED stamp, on all but one of these apps.

TLDR, your whole site reeks of elitist behavior, your application seems like its condoning bots/hacks and you will turn down and (by the evidence I can see) you have turned down most apps, so yes you are very elitist.

I will however say, applications for popular linkshells (we can't deny that, despite the elitist behavior, BG is popular) in FFXIV we need applications due to the linkshell cap.

BG gets a lot of hate for whatever reason but they really aren't bad at all in 14.

Their fun and games or their humor might be different than some peoples but in game they are all very nice players. On forums they help share information to everyone to progress further.

I guess if you don't know them there's no real reason to sit here and bash them. Its like saying Halibut is disgusting because you never tried it and the fish (alive) looks ugly as sin.

It's only smart for them to open recruitment to the general player base at this point. The goal would be to get dedicated players now before 2.0 when everyone and their mom will be scrambling to recruit with raids being a 24man instance. I haven't look at their requirements but I'm sure they will have to tone it down a bit for now until they get the numbers they are looking for. The good thing is they have plenty of time before 2.0. As a former recruitment officer for my older guilds i loved making our app as scary as possible, it helps sort out the players that take no effort in filling out the apps.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

"Order of The Blue Garter XIV was founded in October 2010 by the merging of two like-minded groups of players. Most notably are the members of the original FFXI/WoW OrderofTheBlueGartr from Bahamut and Azshara. We have members ranging from a multitude of FFXI linkshells including Machina, Apathy, Spike Flail, Excellence, and LimitBreak."

*eyeroll* yea were totally not affiliated with the notorious add-on using LS from Bahamut...

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Also who all from Limitbreak is with you besides maybe ashira? Just curious, got a few old friends from LB i'd like to get ahold of.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

BG gets a lot of hate for whatever reason but they really aren't bad at all in 14.

Their fun and games or their humor might be different than some peoples but in game they are all very nice players. On forums they help share information to everyone to progress further.

I guess if you don't know them there's no real reason to sit here and bash them. Its like saying Halibut is disgusting because you never tried it and the fish (alive) looks ugly as sin.

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While I appreciate and respect your opinion on this matter Zd, I still hate BG for no reason, so deeply in fact I feel the need to post in this thread again stating this fact which will in turn bump it back to the top of the post list.

I don't understand why so many people replied to this thread just to say they didn't want to join? lol

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why do I need to, again pay to fraps a full raid or primal to join

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Who actually pays for fraps? I have a licensed copy licensed to some guy I don't know that might live on the other side of the world. :p

I don't really get the hate tbh, I never met anyone in the shell but they seem like nice people from what i've seen so far imo.

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Originally Posted by RobotDinosaur

I don't understand why so many people replied to this thread just to say they didn't want to join? lol

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because BG has been so hated and had such a bad reputation from FFXI, we all knew better and might want others to know.

and seriously, you are using an inverse obama-o for yourselves? i guess thats what you do when you are "Legit as f-"

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Originally Posted by Delsus

why do I need to, again pay to fraps a full raid or primal to join, why should I have to link to the gear,

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You don't need to have fraps, or impressive gearsets to join (technically), it just has the potential to increase your odds of standing out over other applicants.

They wouldn't decline an applicant simply because he didn't list all of his gear or possess fraps, I'm assuming.

Is BG active during JP prime time - which is 9pm to 1am JST. Looking for an end game LS that fits in my time schedule.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

You don't need to have fraps, or impressive gearsets to join (technically), it just has the potential to increase your odds of standing out over other applicants.

They wouldn't decline an applicant simply because he didn't list all of his gear or possess fraps, I'm assuming.

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That's correct. I use the word "ammunition" a lot. The more you bring to the table, the more you help your own chances.

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Originally Posted by Hippo

Is BG active during JP prime time - which is 9pm to 1am JST. Looking for an end game LS that fits in my time schedule.

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Unfortunately, not many of us are going to share that schedule, but we do have a few early-morning EST/GMT players and some crazy PST night-owls. We don't run events during that block of time generally, though, unless it's a new content patch and we're pushing on day 1.

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Originally Posted by carraway

That's correct. I use the word "ammunition" a lot. The more you bring to the table, the more you help your own chances.



Unfortunately, not many of us are going to share that schedule, but we do have a few early-morning EST/GMT players and some crazy PST night-owls. We don't run events during that block of time generally, though, unless it's a new content patch and we're pushing on day 1.

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K thanks for quick reply

If we asked you to use a 3rd party tool, would you do it? Why or why not?

hey guys, what a great question to have right in your application. not that you would ever, nor have you ever had an extensive history of using third party apps that significantly effect gameplay and balance, and you would never be using a claim bot, mr argus, pos hack or on-event.

no one can call you cheaters, you are as pure as the driven snow

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Originally Posted by Huginn

If we asked you to use a 3rd party tool, would you do it? Why or why not?

hey guys, what a great question to have right in your application. not that you would ever, nor have you ever had an extensive history of using third party apps that significantly effect gameplay and balance, and you would never be using a claim bot, mr argus, pos hack or on-event.

no one can call you cheaters, you are as pure as the driven snow

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How dare we FFXI players call them out on their past BS!? BLASPHEMY I SAY!!
(Now people will hate elezen more than they already do, were snitches!)

ATTENTION*

wtf is wrong with you all?

just mind your business and stop being a lil cheerleader about a simple recruitment post...

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

ATTENTION*

wtf is wrong with you all?

just mind your business and stop being a lil cheerleader about a simple recruitment post...

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You forgot to mention that they posted it in the general discussion.

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Originally Posted by Risae

You forgot to mention that they posted it in the general discussion.

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AW LAWD... what a horrible crime.

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Originally Posted by Hippo

Is BG active during JP prime time - which is 9pm to 1am JST. Looking for an end game LS that fits in my time schedule.

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I'm always on during JP prime time if you're interested.

No?

... I understand :(

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Originally Posted by Zozor

I'm always on during JP prime time if you're interested.

No?

... I understand :(

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Do you REALLY want to trust this galka, Hippo? Those Lalafell children he keeps in his closet...

...Just joking. <3 you Zozor.

All of those Lalafell were of legal age!

Then why did their families send the plain rats to Nutkick you???

I was wondering why your page hits took such a huge jump:)

I loved that nutkick. Why else do you think I'd leave combat?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Who actually pays for fraps? I have a licensed copy licensed to some guy I don't know that might live on the other side of the world. :p

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There are some people who are against piracy and stealing a company's intellectual property these people would not be willing to torrent the full version of fraps, and obviously people pay for fraps, which is why they still have a free and a paid version, if no one was paying they would just offer it for free or ditch the project.

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Originally Posted by carraway

That's correct. I use the word "ammunition" a lot. The more you bring to the table, the more you help your own chances.

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This is nowhere noted that I have seen, people go by rules, the application questions and the about page to see what a linkshell is like, paticularly when you are trying to get cross server apps and people thinking of jumping will only know what they see in the public domain, and your public domain image, from what I have seen, is hacking, epeen stroking, weisbetterthaneveryone, no one is worthy of us etc etc etc.

There are no good points in your public domain image, so forget cross server apps unless you can improve that image to something along the lines of heavy endgame, willingness to help others, kind, patient and willingness to improve members. Then you will get cross server interest and more people for 24 man content. The only people that can see this side of you are your members and members on Duranal that have met your members, so target them, then improve your public image to get cross server apps and you will get less trolling and more apps.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Who actually pays for fraps?

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I paid for Fraps. I don't steal software. Hard work goes into creating it, you should support the hard work of developers. Frankly, I hope you get a virus, while pirating programs. I'm sure you wouldn't walk into a store and simply walk out with a copy of a game without paying. It's the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Zozor

I loved that nutkick. Why else do you think I'd leave combat?

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Because your wifey saw how much you enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Who actually pays for fraps? I have a licensed copy licensed to some guy I don't know that might live on the other side of the world. :p

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I paid for Fraps. I don't steal software. Hard work goes into creating it, you should support the hard work of developers. Frankly, I hope you get a virus, while pirating programs. I'm sure you wouldn't walk into a store and simply walk out with a copy of a game without paying. It's the same thing.

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Well perhaps he would if they weren't all locked up, I do agree with supporting developers, anyone that has touched programs know how annoying even the simple programs are to make, the developers deserve the money for any software.