Please get rid of repairs.

i am just going to troll your thread because i read OP and i dont like the title

leave repairs the way they are. weve already been through the shitter when they changed it to DM for all repairs. if you dont like it. this isnt the game for you lol

some of us dont do battle content as much as others and strive where others have fallen. take the repair system for what it is, because i think its good to add another dimension to the game, one thing i didnt like at first either, but have learned to grow and use it.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

This stuff has got to stop. It is in the way of me and fun on my day off. Standing around in Ul'dah waiting...

no I aint paying 5000 per item for 99%.

I know there are people that like the system. I hate it, and it will likely make me quit sooner rather than later.

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Here is the issue at hand: you have different options to do your repairs. Now you can level DOH, you can stand in town, stand in town and shout, ask you linkshell or go to the repair npc. Hmmm whats the issue? If you say: I dont want to level DOH, or I am tired of shouting in town/standing, I dont ask my linkshell, or I dont wanna spend gil to do repairs, that is a choice YOU have made, its ur own fault period!!! Leave repairs as they are with minor tweeks, repairs can stay as far as I am concerned with minor tweeks on gear taking damage. Now I listed alot of ways that you can get your gear repaired it isnt hard and yes it will require the use of some gil but if you dont want to do any of the above dare I say it: Stop being lazy go far, go level or ASK a friend or an LS member for repairs most will be more than happy to fix your gear.

I'd actually like to play devils advocate here and suggest to the majority of people posting here that they look at this from a new players point of view or someone who is coming from another MMO.

In that position would you still think the current repairs system is intuitive and accessible.

It's easy for us long term veterans to say phhfft level a craft or get used to it, but its this kind of thing that turned so many people off the game to begin with.

SE really need to nail this stuff down before 2.0 unless they want to turn players away from their game again.

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Originally Posted by Veltaine

if you dont like it. this isnt the game for you lol

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Quoted for relevance.

Of course I'm not agreeing with the OP to remove repairs or durability, but they most definitely need to change the way repairs work and streamline the whole process.

Saying "leave it the way it is" is not going to work if they want a more user friendly experience in 2.0 and I hope they realise this.

i think repair system is nice, we just need a distant repair system, like an option in the main menu: any DoH can and see whos seeking repairs, and repair their stuff without having 2 b there.

I said a while ago, but I still think grades of dark matter should be removed and just have one dark matter item. Its a bit annoying having five inventory slots taken up for grades 1 2 3 4 5.... and then bear in mind half the server is overflowing with several stacks of grade 5 dark matter these days ....


Or just remove dark matter completely and perform repairs using shards which are also overflowing and easy to get.


That could also pave the way for a mini enchantment system, repair your gear with ice shards and you get an ice spike or en-blizzard effect until the item goes to 0% or is repaired again. In that sense, repairing an item wouldnt really have the negative connotation it has now, it would be turned into a buff type system.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

wow My mother was a tractor by the age of nine as well as a fantasy writer to be critisized.

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My point is not everything in a video game has to have an anchor "in real life," nor should we always look to reality as a guideline to determine whether something is good and correct.

Players stroll by you everyday with 50 in every class and don't repair simply because they don't want to--and that's their business. Nothing is robbed from players if every DoH can repair everything. The economic purpose of repairs is still intact; a wider net is cast if every DoH of appropriate level can repair your gear. What do I stand to lose if this happens? What do you stand to lose? Who would be worse off if a leatherworker could repair your sword?

I don't even see the person who repairs me half the time. Why would I hunt them down and criticize them for fixing my gear even though the class was "incompatible?" Shouldn't I be grateful my gear was repaired so quickly? Shouldn't you?

Wouldn't we all be so lucky if we could raise the realism blockade on this singular, cumbersome, mind-numbing game mechanic?

Repairs are fine as it is...

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Originally Posted by Veltaine

i am just going to troll your thread because i read OP and i dont like the title

leave repairs the way they are. weve already been through the shitter when they changed it to DM for all repairs. if you dont like it. this isnt the game for you lol

some of us dont do battle content as much as others and strive where others have fallen. take the repair system for what it is, because i think its good to add another dimension to the game, one thing i didnt like at first either, but have learned to grow and use it.

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Not only are you a little late to the thread, but you don't know how to troll.

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Originally Posted by Mudd

Dude, it takes me like 5 seconds to get repairs..

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your tag looks like rape

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

My point is not everything in a video game has to have an anchor "in real life," nor should we always look to reality as a guideline to determine whether something is good and correct.

Players stroll by you everyday with 50 in every class and don't repair simply because they don't want to--and that's their business. Nothing is robbed from players if every DoH can repair everything. The economic purpose of repairs is still intact; a wider net is cast if every DoH of appropriate level can repair your gear. What do I stand to lose if this happens? What do you stand to lose? Who would be worse off if a leatherworker could repair your sword?

I don't even see the person who repairs me half the time. Why would I hunt them down and criticize them for fixing my gear even though the class was "incompatible?" Shouldn't I be grateful my gear was repaired so quickly? Shouldn't you?

Wouldn't we all be so lucky if we could raise the realism blockade on this singular, cumbersome, mind-numbing game mechanic?

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If you had read my post after that post to you which again you only posted a partial quote i hate when people do that but whatever. YOu would have seen that I'd give way if the person has level'd all the doh to a certain level and got some type of key item to be able to repair items up to a certain lvl. But I don't want a cheapen the game by making it too easy for everyone to do whatever they want whenever they want. That would be like trying to make Ifrit with 1 hp and let everyone go in whenever they want without a cooldown. I'll agree with terms and conditions like jobs but I refuse to allow people who want to level one doh or not all of them to be able to repair everything in the game.

Player Poll spoke the truth with what we want and that isn't what we want. Period end of story. I"m sorry if you're wanting everything handed to you on a silver platter but honestly I want to work for my achievements. And if that means I have to level every doh to be able to do it then I will but honestly I probably won't not at this point in time at least because I'm not interested in it and yes i'd still have some things grounded and based in reality because without reality there is no fantasy. Hell if you want why not just say get rid of all the humanoid looking races that we place and create pure fantasy ones like half ape half dragons. With whatever else oh wait that's right that's based in reality too because apes a real hmmm what a conundrum there.

Now do you have any further compuncture on this. If so please feel free to reply.

I'm still fine with the repairs as it is. I've played multiple games that required you to repair your gear upon damage and quite frankly the only one i've EVER played that didn't require was 11 but the death toll was harsh in there with the loss of exp and de leveling . This one I can stand the repairs since it is cheap to do and money is so easy to come by.

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

Not only are you a little late to the thread, but you don't know how to troll.

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that made me lol really

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Ifrit

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Do you really believe repairs are meant to test your mettle as an adventurer in the same way as primal battles?

Do you really believe the "experience" of standing around town waiting for repairs will be "cheapened" because an alchemist repairs your helm instead of an armorer?

Do you really believe the act of repairing, or having your items repaired, is an achievement?

No. You do not. You do not believe any of these things.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Do you really believe repairs are meant to test your mettle as an adventurer in the same way as primal battles?

Do you really believe the "experience" of standing around town waiting for repairs will be "cheapened" because an alchemist repairs your helm instead of an armorer?

Do you really believe the act of repairing, or having your items repaired, is an achievement?

No. You do not. You do not believe any of these things.

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there should be a repair achievment

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Originally Posted by Altanas

Or just remove dark matter completely and perform repairs using shards which are also overflowing and easy to get.


That could also pave the way for a mini enchantment system, repair your gear with ice shards and you get an ice spike or en-blizzard effect until the item goes to 0% or is repaired again. In that sense, repairing an item wouldnt really have the negative connotation it has now, it would be turned into a buff type system.

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I like your ideas.

They did say that you would be able to use G5 for lower ranked gear at some point. Forgot where I saw it though. With the amount people get via Ifrit and the like, having plenty shouldn't be an issue either.

STOP PLAYING THEN :)

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Do you really believe repairs are meant to test your mettle as an adventurer in the same way as primal battles?

Do you really believe the "experience" of standing around town waiting for repairs will be "cheapened" because an alchemist repairs your helm instead of an armorer?

Do you really believe the act of repairing, or having your items repaired, is an achievement?

No. You do not. You do not believe any of these things.

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Honey you know nothing about me and or my beliefs. So I would suggest you shut up.

Seems like repairing is also for players to make money too though.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

beliefs

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Either you believe these things and your position is ridiculous, or you don't believe these things and you've been clowning around.

So which is it, honey?

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Either you believe these things and your position is ridiculous, or you don't believe these things and you've been clowning around.

So which is it, honey?

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I think you 2 just turned this into some religious debate over repairing O.o.

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

I think you 2 just turned this into some religious debate over repairing O.o.

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not really I'm done with that troll

Repair System Initially: Random Mat (Antelope Horn, Mythril Plate, Beastkin Blood etc) Damage % on gear developed very quickly. Very few high level crafters. NPC cost to repair was rediculous (Did they even have a repair NPC initially??) To get repairs you needed to have room in your Bazaar, put the item in your Bazaar and hope that someone has the required repair mat.


Repair System Now: DM lvl 1-5, NPC Repair is cheap, many high level crafters, Damage % developes slow (even from death) Put up repair flag (Big Hammer Symbol above your head) to get repairs.

Anyone that says the "NEW" repair system should be removed is just lazy, and possibly a few other things.

As others have stated this is a MMO. Not Single Player like the OP must think.
Repairs bring a death penalty, a sense of helpfulness to other players, a reason to try crafting at low levels.

I could just imagine the people that are against this system in-game.

Fellow Player: "Here are the repairs you requested"
OP (Other Player): "FU, what took so long!"

I'd actually prefer to see the system evolve.

Crafted weapons will eventually brake, and over time durability drops so they need repairs sooner.
But the older more worn weapon = better Materia, and long as you don't leave it to long and kill the weapon.
Also older weapons evolve !Small! hidden buffs like +0.5 - 1.5% % crit.
The same kind of thing for armour.

But then to make the system really worth doing eventually !Some! old crafted weapons unlock, allowing them to be combined with items or other weapons/armour to make something new (that can only be gotten by doing this).
At this point they fall under the looted weapons section.
(not sure if thos should be possible without being a crafter, but id prefer it that way as they have enough ways to make gil as it is)

Looted weapons/AF and such, do lose durability but dozens of quest are added (just short ones) based around the Eco ability to fix them.
This would be a solo ques that is difficult but doable

not going to read all of this fighting, but in general, death penalties are a stupid concept in MMOs that shouldve been gone years ago. as are repairs.

time is already a valuable asset, dying wastes it, which is almost equivalent to any modern RPG where you reload where you last saved, is well enough, especially in content with time limits. all this garbage with corpse runs or item degradation or "loss of morale" in LOTRO is just put in there to make the "hardcore" players happy, because they like big death penalties for some reason. it just makes absolutely no sense.

it's just an archaic system that designers as a whole need to do away with, it doesn't make content more challenging, games dont need a risk to avoid dying, just stop wasting our time and money in game just for no reason.

Saying that it needs to stay because it's a death penalty is a bad excuse.

We need a real death penalty but this one is just bad game design and as a DP it's a total joke considering how cheap repairs are.

I'd take gil/xp/seal/rested bonus/anima-loss any day over broken gear as a death penalty.

I'm a casual player and I don't mind the repair system. I don't like the 99% I wish the repair npc would repair it 100%. I also think its just a gil sink but so what I use the npc all the time I can craft anything to level 30 but I am to lazy to do it. I don't have lots of money because I do this all the time but that is my fault and I don't mind I take easy the easy way every time. I like to craft so that's not it. Just for me its about time and anything that is the easiest for me is the way I go. I would hate a death penalty of exp that would just waste my time again. So keep the repairs its the best way to go for a death penalty.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

done

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You represent the majority who didn't thoughtfully answer the poll question regarding repairs. I wish to bring to light the opinions of this group.

You hold that repairs are challenging like primal battles, meaningful experiences, and worthy of a sense of achievement. You raised these points; whether you meant them literally or as evidence of a slippery slope, I don't know yet. This is a discussion forum, not a get-angry-and-clam-up forum.

Of course, the majority could use more representatives with different views. Yoshida could only speculate as to why more people preferred keeping DoH locked into their respective repairs. Why keep him and the rest of us guessing?

I have no idea how this thread is still going, but you all do know that in 2.0 you will only need Grade 5 DM?

Community Requested Higher DM repairs lower gear to and Devs said yes.

They really can't make it any easier. It is the only death penalty in the game..

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I have no idea how this thread is still going, but you all do know that in 2.0 you will only need Grade 5 DM?

Community Requested Higher DM repairs lower gear to and Devs said yes.

They really can't make it any easier. It is the only death penalty in the game..

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did they say what was going to happen with the lower grade dm? if not would be nice for certain levels to trade it it like 5 grade 1 for 1 grade five or whatever.... like they did with the guild marks

btw I'm kinda lazy can you post a link to that cause I wanna read over that if you would be so kind maybe i can find the answer in there myself. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

This stuff has got to stop. It is in the way of me and fun on my day off. Standing around in Ul'dah waiting...

no I aint paying 5000 per item for 99%.

I know there are people that like the system. I hate it, and it will likely make me quit sooner rather than later.

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you make it sound like you're doing this every day, and that it's hard to find someone to repair your stuff.

I personally just NPC everything. between guild leves, fishing, and general adventuring i'm not scrapped for cash. also getting CNJ from 10 to 48 i've had to repair my stuff maybe 2 times. and one of those times was only because i had a SB party at level 40 and i died like 8 times in a row because i hadn't quite figured out how control my enmity. I wore the same set of gear from 15-30, and then upgraded at 30 and haven't' changed any of my gear (except rings/bracelets/neck) yet.

I really don't think repairs are a problem, especially since you don't need to repair that often. If it is really 'getting in your way' why don't you just repair right before you log off? you're fresh and ready next time you log on.

and even if you have 12 items that are being repaired all at once @5k you're looking at only 60k. if you can't afford 60k i think you have a whole different set of problems. between leves, SBing and selling materia, gathering/farming, gil is retarded easy to get.

Heck, your profile says you have THM50. shout in uldah and PL some newbs for gil. offer to help with AF runs for gil. charge pugs if you're doing primals. you're a THM those are almost always needed, and you can bet some people will pay for your services. Heck, i saw someone shouting to PL 40-50 for 100k a level. and people were joining in droves.

you just sound excessively lazy to me. just like in real life: if you goof off all day and don't try to make any money. . .You won't make any money.
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That being said i would like it if repairs were scaled based on how much % you needed to repair. IE: 95% repair costs more than a 5% repair.

I find it a very minor annoyance because i generally repair all of my stuff at once if something is damaged. when i spend 5k for a 2% repair i'm a little miffed. but again, gil is so easy to get i'm over it by the time I walk away.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

you make it sound like you're doing this every day, and that it's hard to find someone to repair your stuff.

I personally just NPC everything. between guild leves, fishing, and general adventuring i'm not scrapped for cash. also getting CNJ from 10 to 48 i've had to repair my stuff maybe 2 times. and one of those times was only because i had a SB party at level 40 and i died like 8 times in a row because i hadn't quite figured out how control my enmity. I wore the same set of gear from 15-30, and then upgraded at 30 and haven't' changed any of my gear (except rings/bracelets/neck) yet.

I really don't think repairs are a problem, especially since you don't need to repair that often. If it is really 'getting in your way' why don't you just repair right before you log off? you're fresh and ready next time you log on.

and even if you have 12 items that are being repaired all at once @5k you're looking at only 60k. if you can't afford 60k i think you have a whole different set of problems. between leves, SBing and selling materia, gathering/farming, gil is retarded easy to get.

Heck, your profile says you have THM50. shout in uldah and PL some newbs for gil. offer to help with AF runs for gil. charge pugs if you're doing primals. you're a THM those are almost always needed, and you can bet some people will pay for your services. Heck, i saw someone shouting to PL 40-50 for 100k a level. and people were joining in droves.

you just sound excessively lazy to me. just like in real life: if you goof off all day and don't try to make any money. . .You won't make any money.
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That being said i would like it if repairs were scaled based on how much % you needed to repair. IE: 95% repair costs more than a 5% repair.

I find it a very minor annoyance because i generally repair all of my stuff at once if something is damaged. when i spend 5k for a 2% repair i'm a little miffed. but again, gil is so easy to get i'm over it by the time I walk away.

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Naa, not every day. But when the time does come its like XD fuck time for this crap again. Its not that i'm lazy, its just that I find it a very un-fun thing to do. I would also like to save my gil to buy cool shit from the crafters.

My time is limited as it is with work etc. So when i get on I want to get right to it. Then I will play till its time to go to bed, but if I do what you suggest and get my stuff repaired before I go then I will have to cut out the activities I enjoy early to take care of repairs.

So what I have been doing is what someone else suggested in this thread, taking a break logging into another game more often. Then logging into FFXIV to check on my retainer status. Got my 90 day subscription to get the legacy crap squared away. But after that ill prolly unsubscribe again, then give it one last go in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

Not only are you a little late to the thread, but you don't know how to troll.

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yayy i cant troll! /score for me

I didn't read a single post besides OP, but stop being so god damn lazy; level your crafts and play the game even though it's a little difficult.

why the hell this thread still alive?

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

why the hell this thread still alive?

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Apparently someone wanted to wait a month to tell me they can't troll I think. Guess it was worth necroing a thread.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

Getting repair remove will interfere with one of the game mechanic
You do know that playing with broken tool in hamlet will give you more score, do you?

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If that's the only problem left to remove repair i'd say just raise the hamlet score to broken weapon standards. Honestly, repair in this game doesn't even help ppl who can repair because the amount of gil received is ridiculous.

If repair vanishes from this game i think it would only get better. There are smarter and non punishtive ways to remove gil from the game. Materia itself was a nice touch. I bet SE could come with something else to please players while removing gil from the economy. Just get rid of repair forever.

Hmm, SE can remove repair but let damaged weapon ingame. If your weapon is damaged, buy a new weapon. With this, the gil would be rolling wild in the market ^^

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

There are smarter and non punishtive ways to remove gil from the game. Materia itself was a nice touch. I bet SE could come with something else to please players while removing gil from the economy. Just get rid of repair forever.

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The primary function of materia is to destroy gear. It is a gear sink. The gil is just a secondary effect (only 2% - 10% what you paid for the materia get removed from the game).

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

If that's the only problem left to remove repair i'd say just raise the hamlet score to broken weapon standards. Honestly, repair in this game doesn't even help ppl who can repair because the amount of gil received is ridiculous.

If repair vanishes from this game i think it would only get better. There are smarter and non punishtive ways to remove gil from the game. Materia itself was a nice touch. I bet SE could come with something else to please players while removing gil from the economy. Just get rid of repair forever.

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except that they not doing it for money, they doing it because they can
at least Im doing it because i can

and why the hell did we need to remove money from economy?!?
money is good

Less Repair requirments we need nowdays or least some kinda special buff that helps prevent more dmg.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Hmm, SE can remove repair but let damaged weapon ingame. If your weapon is damaged, buy a new weapon. With this, the gil would be rolling wild in the market ^^

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That's retarded.