Third-party Tools Can Negatively Affect Players Not Using Them

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

you can tell from literally any gear in the game that most of it is designed with femra and femqote in mind

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Right...that's why half the headgear in this game made after Stormblood makes my ears disappear.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

I'm going to blow your mind! they can just cut earholes into the hat.

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Even if this ever becomes a feature in the game, it's such a whataboutism you're trying to pull here that wouldn't even make sense most of the time. Most helms if you cut earholes into them, the ear is still going to be halfway in the helm which would both look and feel stupid for the viera. Hrothgar helms just don't make sense in most cases, when they do make sense they work as is.

It is part of the problem with cosmetic modding that people are doing this, but we're talking the smallest part of the problem. You act like it's not 0.00001% of modders that do it for helms on hrothgar/viera alone. Most of you are making insane changes to the aesthetic of the game and completely avoiding any reason to engage in the game world for the purposes of appearances. Most are using it to avoid to cash shop even if there are a small amount that use mods that are tied to cash shop purchases that solely exist as a whataboutism to make modding seem less harmful than it is.

It's not good, it will never be good. With AI coming into prevalence, you're not going to get away with it for very long. I'll tell you how anti-cheat could and will easily work without intruding on our privacy at all too: 1) game developers get an AI system that scans the internet for ffxiv related cheats and compiles a database, 2) anti-cheat references the database while you are playing the game, 3) computers detected using any program on the list are denied access to the game connection. 4) have a staff that oversees the database and makes sure it is only adding tools or files that actually mod the game.

That's just one way of doing it, and there are probably way smarter more efficient ways of doing it. This game is on a decline because of cheaters and square enix has to step in sooner or later before the game dies. If the game dies due to cheating, then it's all the same if there was no way of modding the game. It's like you selfish people would rather not play the game at all if you can't have your pathetic mods in it. So entitled that you should literally just be banned.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

It is part of the problem with cosmetic modding that people are doing this, but we're talking the smallest part of the problem. You act like it's not 0.00001% of modders that do it for helms on hrothgar/viera alone. Most of you are making insane changes to the aesthetic of the game and completely avoiding any reason to engage in the game world for the purposes of appearances. Most are using it to avoid to cash shop even if there are a small amount that use mods that are tied to cash shop purchases that solely exist as a whataboutism to make modding seem less harmful than it is.

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yeah, that's fundamentally wrong lots of mods are tied to cash shop items and people don't use mods to avoid paying in the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

It's not good, it will never be good. With AI coming into prevalence, you're not going to get away with it for very long. I'll tell you how anti-cheat could and will easily work without intruding on our privacy at all too: 1) game developers get an AI system that scans the internet for ffxiv related cheats and compiles a database, 2) anti-cheat references the database while you are playing the game, 3) computers detected using any program on the list are denied access to the game connection. 4) have a staff that oversees the database and makes sure it is only adding tools or files that actually mod the game.

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If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

yeah, that's fundamentally wrong lots of mods are tied to cash shop items and people don't use mods to avoid paying in the cash shop.


If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

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1) No, the vast majority of mods have no tie to cash shop items.

2) YoshiP would rather go back on his word than let the game die. You say I lack nuance, yet look who is talking lol. Detecting programs that are only related to ffxiv cheating =/= a privacy violation. You're just mad because I pointed out a way that they could detect cheats without being problematic.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

2) YoshiP would rather go back on his word than let the game die. You say I lack nuance, yet look who is talking lol. Detecting programs that are only related to ffxiv cheating =/= a privacy violation. You're just mad because I pointed out a way that they could detect cheats without being problematic.

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Are you trolling at this point or legit just that stupid?

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Originally Posted by Visanis

Are you trolling at this point or legit just that stupid?

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????? Tell me you abuse third party tools without telling me you do.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

????? Tell me you abuse third party tools without telling me you do.

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Imagine thinking that anyone that disagrees with you or thinks that you're being a clown is a modder.

What a sad, paranoid life you must live.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

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What I don't think people understand is the cultural and legal issue this causes. Japan has lots of games like this and no one cares. In the US, its basically dooming your game to include this, as the majority of gamers will drop you if you have a DRM that actually interferes with their computer. In Europe, its actually illegal in some countries, and where its not the attitude is largely the same as the US.

Basically including PC scanning would make this a JP only game, which would absolutely gut their bottom line. Yoshi-P is many things. Stupid isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

What I don't think people understand is the cultural and legal issue this causes. Japan has lots of games like this and no one cares. In the US, its basically dooming your game to include this, as the majority of gamers will drop you if you have a DRM that actually interferes with their computer. In Europe, its actually illegal in some countries, and where its not the attitude is largely the same as the US.

Basically including PC scanning would make this a JP only game, which would absolutely gut their bottom line. Yoshi-P is many things. Stupid isn't one of them.

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Valorant says hello, one of the most popular games in the entire industry and it has an extreme anti-cheat that is also extremely effective.

Times are changing, people are less tolerant for cheating and you're joking if you think your data isn't already completely monitored.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Valorant says hello, one of the most popular games in the entire industry and it has an extreme anti-cheat that is also extremely effective.

Times are changing, people are less tolerant for cheating and you're joking if you think your data isn't already completely monitored.

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Oh look, you found one. That single example totally isn't an outlier that would get ignored in any statistical analysis.

Its also not an MMO, so different type of player, even assuming you are correct. The entire game is PVP, meaning anti cheat is a lot more important there.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Oh look, you found one. That single example totally isn't an outlier that would get ignored in any statistical analysis.

Its also not an MMO, so different type of player, even assuming you are correct. The entire game is PVP, meaning anti cheat is a lot more important there.

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I am correct. PvE or PvP it makes no difference, cheating to get ahead in a game where players compare themselves to each other is the same as cheating in a pvp game. It's not like this is a single player game, every player compares themselves to others and uses their prog as a reference to see where they stand.

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating so it's a bunch of invalid players acting like they're doing something meaningful. Funny to see cheaters try to justify their actions over and over. It never gets old to call out the state of cheating in this game.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I am correct. PvE or PvP it makes no difference, cheating to get ahead in a game where players compare themselves to each other is the same as cheating in a pvp game. It's not like this is a single player game, every player compares themselves to others and uses their prog as a reference to see where they stand.

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating so it's a bunch of invalid players acting like they're doing something meaningful. Funny to see cheaters try to justify their actions over and over. It never gets old to call out the state of cheating in this game.

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This is how most people view you

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating

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Most?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I am correct. PvE or PvP it makes no difference, cheating to get ahead in a game where players compare themselves to each other is the same as cheating in a pvp game. It's not like this is a single player game, every player compares themselves to others and uses their prog as a reference to see where they stand.

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating so it's a bunch of invalid players acting like they're doing something meaningful. Funny to see cheaters try to justify their actions over and over. It never gets old to call out the state of cheating in this game.

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First step here is not comparing yourself to random people on the internet. I've been doing it for years and makes life a lot simpler.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

First step here is not comparing yourself to random people on the internet. I've been doing it for years and makes life a lot simpler.

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They’re honestly either a really good troll or are far too invested into fawning over the achievements of others

Hard to tell which but it does get me to check on the forums like once a day to see what garbage they’ve concocted up

Jesus this dude still ain't done screaming and arguing that the game is dying because of modding lmao

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Valorant says hello, one of the most popular games in the entire industry and it has an extreme anti-cheat that is also extremely effective.

Times are changing, people are less tolerant for cheating and you're joking if you think your data isn't already completely monitored.

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The anti-cheat that literally kept people's computers from working because it decided stuff like keyboard and mouse drivers and RGB software was "cheating" is probably not the good example you think it is.

Someone can make a 100% effective anti-cheat by simply not allowing your computer to function, but that doesn't mean it's actually good.

I mean you can kick and scream all you want about anti-cheat but it's coming eventually. Technological advancements are inevitable with AI and square enix 100% does not want cheaters playing their game. There's no debate about it, whether you're cheating cosmetics, cheating in raids, cheating in pvp, cheating quests, cheating in fall guys crossover with movement speed hacks, you are not wanted here.

The gall you all have to openly defend cheating in the official forums is cute though. Just enjoy it while you can, because it is inevitable that people who cheat will be disabled.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I mean you can kick and scream all you want about anti-cheat but it's coming eventually. Technological advancements are inevitable with AI and square enix 100% does not want cheaters playing their game. There's no debate about it, whether you're cheating cosmetics, cheating in raids, cheating in pvp, cheating quests, cheating in fall guys crossover with movement speed hacks, you are not wanted here.

The gall you all have to openly defend cheating in the official forums is cute though. Just enjoy it while you can, because it is inevitable that people who cheat will be disabled.

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Rightttttttttttttt

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Rightttttttttttttt

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Yeahhhhhh I'm sure yoship is happy that you're expected to have third party tools installed in the majority PF groups for hard content in this game. Then you guys complain that they keep lowering the difficulty of content while abusing cheats over and over.

I'm sure they'll never get tired of cheaters ruining the experience for those who don't cheat. I'm sure they're happy the game lost the "best community support" to cyberpunk at the game awards. This game is in a steep decline and it's because of cheaters. What are the devs even supposed to do at this point? They simplify the game and cheaters complain instead of uninstalling their cheats. The only way for them to win is to add an effective anti-cheat at this point. It's not cool and neither are you.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

The gall you all have to openly defend cheating in the official forums is cute though.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I mean you can kick and scream all you want about anti-cheat but it's coming eventually. Technological advancements are inevitable with AI and square enix 100% does not want cheaters playing their game. There's no debate about it, whether you're cheating cosmetics, cheating in raids, cheating in pvp, cheating quests, cheating in fall guys crossover with movement speed hacks, you are not wanted here.

The gall you all have to openly defend cheating in the official forums is cute though. Just enjoy it while you can, because it is inevitable that people who cheat will be disabled.

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You are delusional, arrogant and naive. As I've said before ffxiv modding has progressed to the point that the gene is out of the bottle and would be very costly for SE to put it back in. SE likes money and adding an anti-cheat costs them money both directly and indirectly.
So they rather have this don't ask don't tell policy that gives them wriggle room to bonk people if someone goes a bit too far.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeahhhhhh I'm sure yoship is happy that you're expected to have third party tools installed in the majority PF groups for hard content in this game. Then you guys complain that they keep lowering the difficulty of content while abusing cheats over and over.

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Anyone who goes into PF knows that this statement is flat-out wrong.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeahhhhhh I'm sure yoship is happy that you're expected to have third party tools installed in the majority PF groups for hard content in this game. Then you guys complain that they keep lowering the difficulty of content while abusing cheats over and over.

I'm sure they'll never get tired of cheaters ruining the experience for those who don't cheat. I'm sure they're happy the game lost the "best community support" to cyberpunk at the game awards. This game is in a steep decline and it's because of cheaters. What are the devs even supposed to do at this point? They simplify the game and cheaters complain instead of uninstalling their cheats. The only way for them to win is to add an effective anti-cheat at this point. It's not cool and neither are you.

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This game is in a steep decline

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Evidence please ?

To quote a wise poster well known on the housing forums.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I rather agree with Stormpeaks, as rare as that happens.

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Cheaters agreeing with cheaters, who would have thought.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cheaters agreeing with cheaters, who would have thought.

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I'm waiting for your evidence that the game is on a steep decline.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeahhhhhh I'm sure yoship is happy that you're expected to have third party tools installed in the majority PF groups for hard content in this game. Then you guys complain that they keep lowering the difficulty of content while abusing cheats over and over.

I'm sure they'll never get tired of cheaters ruining the experience for those who don't cheat. I'm sure they're happy the game lost the "best community support" to cyberpunk at the game awards. This game is in a steep decline and it's because of cheaters. What are the devs even supposed to do at this point? They simplify the game and cheaters complain instead of uninstalling their cheats. The only way for them to win is to add an effective anti-cheat at this point. It's not cool and neither are you.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cheaters agreeing with cheaters, who would have thought.

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Do you have any proof of that?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cheaters agreeing with cheaters, who would have thought.

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Are the cheaters in the room with you right now? Can you see them? Can they talk to you?

Alright, but seriously, I'm done feeding the troll now. I've had my fun, but screaming at a brick wall gets old after a while.

The fact that you think you would take the positions you are taking without being a cheater is cute. It's so blatantly obvious who is a cheater in threads like these and who isn't.

Do I have proof? No. Do I need proof to know without a doubt? No.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

The fact that you think you would take the positions you are taking without being a cheater is cute. It's so blatantly obvious who is a cheater in threads like these and who isn't.

Do I have proof? No. Do I need proof to know without a doubt? No.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeahhhhhh I'm sure yoship is happy that you're expected to have third party tools installed in the majority PF groups for hard content in this game. Then you guys complain that they keep lowering the difficulty of content while abusing cheats over and over.

I'm sure they'll never get tired of cheaters ruining the experience for those who don't cheat. I'm sure they're happy the game lost the "best community support" to cyberpunk at the game awards. This game is in a steep decline and it's because of cheaters. What are the devs even supposed to do at this point? They simplify the game and cheaters complain instead of uninstalling their cheats. The only way for them to win is to add an effective anti-cheat at this point. It's not cool and neither are you.

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This game is in a steep decline

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You claimed it, not me.

Evidence please ?

People who are constantly carried in content and hold the team back are 100% against any mods. Don't bother arguing my point because

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Do I have proof? No. Do I need proof to know without a doubt? No.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

People who are constantly carried in content and hold the team back are 100% against any mods. Don't bother arguing my point because

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Big if true

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

The fact that you think you would take the positions you are taking without being a cheater is cute. It's so blatantly obvious who is a cheater in threads like these and who isn't.

Do I have proof? No. Do I need proof to know without a doubt? No.

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just because I can hold a pro-opinion on something doesn't mean I engage in it.

Hey, just so you know who you're wasting your time with, check out their other thread where they accuse a disabled person of faking being disabled and then when called out double down on it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ti-cheat/page2

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Hey, just so you know who you're wasting your time with, check out their other thread where they accuse a disabled person of faking being disabled and then when called out double down on it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ti-cheat/page2

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Man, when you think you've seen the bottom of the barrel for FFXIV discussion and the most unhinged person this week just pulls out yet another barrel from behind your ear. I'd be surprised if I wasn't so dead inside.

What a shame.

Hear me out. You know that some time ago there was a huge boom of players coming from WoW to play FFXIV?
We were all happy that we got so many new players to play with. And also happy that our game has a better community than WoW.

After some time people in FFXIV started using addons a lot. Just like WoW players did already for years.
Basically WoW players had to bring their addon community to FFXIV.

Now new WoW DLCs and servers are coming out and most players are returning to WoW.
They have literally destroyed our community with their addons and are going back to their own game.
Everything wrong with our community now was WoW players' doing all along.

They came here and antagonized our community to itself by splitting it into sides of addon-approvers and addon-enemies.
If SE doesn't do something with it and won't take a proper anti-addon or pro-addon stance, we're gonna end up like Karellian race here.

...Thanks for hearing out my conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by Raionek

Hear me out. You know that some time ago there was a huge boom of players coming from WoW to play FFXIV?
We were all happy that we got so many new players to play with. And also happy that our game has a better community than WoW.

After some time people in FFXIV started using addons a lot. Just like WoW players did already for years.
Basically WoW players had to bring their addon community to FFXIV.

Now new WoW DLCs and servers are coming out and most players are returning to WoW.
They have literally destroyed our community with their addons and are going back to their own game.
Everything wrong with our community now was WoW players' doing all along.

They came here and antagonized our community to itself by splitting it into sides of addon-approvers and addon-enemies.
If SE doesn't do something with it and won't take a proper anti-addon or pro-addon stance, we're gonna end up like Karellian race here.

...Thanks for hearing out my conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Hey, just so you know who you're wasting your time with, check out their other thread where they accuse a disabled person of faking being disabled and then when called out double down on it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ti-cheat/page2

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That's not what happened but it's okay for you to think like that. You're looking for ammunition to defend the state of cheating in this game and you're pretty desperate.

Would I be attacking disabled people if I criticized someone for using an aimbot in an fps because they have a motor skill related condition? No, that person would be cheating and it would be wrong. It's unfortunate that they have a disability, but what is wrong is wrong.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

That's not what happened but it's okay for you to think like that. You're looking for ammunition to defend the state of cheating in this game and you're pretty desperate.

Would I be attacking disabled people if I criticized someone for using an aimbot in an fps because they have a motor skill related condition? No, that person would be cheating and it would be wrong. It's unfortunate that they have a disability, but what is wrong is wrong.

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So what you are saying is that disabled players shouldn't play because it hurts your feelings.

Lmao, you really are something else

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Hey, just so you know who you're wasting your time with, check out their other thread where they accuse a disabled person of faking being disabled and then when called out double down on it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ti-cheat/page2

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Man, days ago I was debating myself after reading their credentials that they never stop relating anything and everything with third party tool talks. That linked thread confirms everything that I need to know lol tyvm.