Time for an anti-cheat

[Absurdity]

I never really get this argument.

Most everything you use on your PC is invading your privacy in some way. That includes mods and other third party applications you run with the game. Having your privacy invaded by SE is probably a lot safer than having it invaded by the developer of some random mod/third party program.

It might still upset everyone, but the privacy invasion wouldn't be the reason.

Privacy isn't the best argument here, yeah. If you use any kind of Google service you're getting your privacy invaded anyway because that's all that company really does.

What is however a problem with anti cheat is that for it to be in any way effective it will usually require Ring 0 access to your PC, which is a big nono, especially when we have no precedent for a potential SE anti-cheat being sufficiently secure itself.
Not to mention the potential performance impact on less high-end systems. Because keep in mind, while mod users probably already have a powerful PC the average player does not, but they will be affected by a universal anti-cheat all the same.

[george357]

same old group of crazy anicheaters trying to burn down the game to save it lmao.

[Doozer]

I never really get this argument.

Most everything you use on your PC is invading your privacy in some way. That includes mods and other third party applications you run with the game. Having your privacy invaded by SE is probably a lot safer than having it invaded by the developer of some random mod/third party program.

It might still upset everyone, but the privacy invasion wouldn't be the reason.

Because the other software I put on my computer is on purpose. I pay for the game, I install the game to play the game. If I install third-party applications or mods, those things are what I get when I install and use them. I don't pay nor install to have something else installed too. That's all.

[HikariKurosawa]

Because the other software I put on my computer is on purpose. I pay for the game, I install the game to play the game. If I install third-party applications or mods, those things are what I get when I install and use them. I don't pay nor install to have something else installed too. That's all.

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game. There is no way of ensuring you have an honest experience in this game until they introduce an anti-cheat. The expectations the players have in end game are based on the results that cheats produce. It is toxic and bad for the health of the game. Then you have people that are in content that they have no business being in because their addons increase the level of performance they can get away with. They do not have the capacity to clear the content without the addons, yet do with the addons. This is not a healthy version of accessibility.

I'll make it simple for you to understand too, it would be like installing an aimbot in an fps because you have a motor skill issue. Obviously this is not ethical in any way at all, sure this person has really bad aim otherwise and probably couldn't even play the game, but there is never an excuse to cheat. Ever.

Also, to all the people trying to say I ever attacked a disabled person... Get a grip on reality. You're so far out of touch it's actually hilarious. You're not going to phase me by guilting me for something I never did. I checked doozer's post history and they've never once made a topic about accessibility in this game either. This thread is not the place for that talk. I do not care if they are disabled and it is not relevant to this topic. Try to keep things on topic.

[Boblawblah]

I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS.

You started playing a game because addons are against the TOS? I'm trying to imagine someone shopping around for games and thinking "Oh, that game has a TOS that said 'no addons'! Nice, i'll definitely try that one" or "Oh no, that game allows people to use addons, I'm definitely not playing that game".

Also, bonus points for implying that SE could be sued for not being as strict on THEIR OWN TOS as they could be.

edit: I don't know why I respond to these threads, it has Gaius written all over it

[Stormpeaks]

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require

Blah blah blah

Idk who you're trying to fool, you were done the first second you said "skill issue" to someone with a disability, and then proceeded to say "I dont care about your disability".

You are just a terrible human being really and you won't get compassion on this forum after the things you've said.

Also lol @ the constant "people are cheating!!!!" whining, grow up already, it has 0 impact on you if someone looks better than you do (which isn't hard to do) or if someone has actual hats as Viera.

Grow. Up. Lmao

[Absurdity]

It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game.

Source: Trust me bro.
Man, I would really like to see all those "ACT and whatever-that-supposed-tool-that-plays-the-game-for-you-is mandatory or kick" party finder listings.

[Ivtrix]

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game. There is no way of ensuring you have an honest experience in this game until they introduce an anti-cheat. The expectations the players have in end game are based on the results that cheats produce. It is toxic and bad for the health of the game. Then you have people that are in content that they have no business being in because their addons increase the level of performance they can get away with. They do not have the capacity to clear the content without the addons, yet do with the addons. This is not a healthy version of accessibility.

I'll make it simple for you to understand too, it would be like installing an aimbot in an fps because you have a motor skill issue. Obviously this is not ethical in any way at all, sure this person has really bad aim otherwise and probably couldn't even play the game, but there is never an excuse to cheat. Ever.

Also, to all the people trying to say I ever attacked a disabled person... Get a grip on reality. You're so far out of touch it's actually hilarious. You're not going to phase me by guilting me for something I never did. I checked doozer's post history and they've never once made a topic about accessibility in this game either. This thread is not the place for that talk. I do not care if they are disabled and it is not relevant to this topic. Try to keep things on topic.

Man I really love raid gatekeeping from people who have never touched a raid before

[Eenkalzet]

Greetings HikariKurosawa,

We apologize for any inconvenience that has occurred when playing Final Fantasy XIV. We greatly appreciate your suggestion/feedback. Unfortunately, the issue you are describing is not something we are able to assist with in the technical support forum. As a result, we will be moving this thread to "General Discussion".

[HikariKurosawa]

Greetings HikariKurosawa,

We apologize for any inconvenience that has occurred when playing Final Fantasy XIV. We greatly appreciate your suggestion/feedback. Unfortunately, the issue you are describing is not something we are able to assist with in the technical support forum. As a result, we will be moving this thread to "General Discussion".

Okay thank you, another poster here suggested I make a post in the technical support section about implementing an anti-cheat.