If you're unhappy with this game then unsub... forever.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

This is basically me.

I also think all of these "vote with your wallet/stop complaining/go away" posts are disingenuous concern trolling at best. These people don't give a rat's ass if you have a good time or not. They love sloppy game design and want a forum full of uncritical praise for the direction it's been headed.

They want us gone because we point out that modern FFXIV coddled their laziness. They don't like this.

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this covers literally every single person that says "just unsub looool", so true

these people just want this weird toxic positivity that they love so much

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This is basically me.

I also think all of these "vote with your wallet/stop complaining/go away" posts are disingenuous concern trolling at best. These people don't give a rat's ass if you have a good time or not. They love sloppy game design and want a forum full of uncritical praise for the direction it's been headed.

They want us gone because we point out that modern FFXIV coddled their laziness. They don't like this.

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I don't care whatsoever if people sub or not. Not my money, not my time. I just dislike posts with the following:

1. Random personal insults that have nothing to do with the discussion.
2. Theatrics and hyperbole, kind of like the post I'm responding to.

No one here wants a forum "full of uncritical praise" nor do they "love sloppy game design." These comments are just absurd and fails to see any nuance and what posters are actually saying.

Posts like that I guess make more entertaining content though, I suppose.

It would be cool if people did this just so the 5 posters keeping this dogshit forum active would vanish and know peace.

https://i.ibb.co/Lh5wcNH/forever-twins.gif

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I don't care whatsoever if people sub or not. Not my money, not my time. I just dislike posts with the following:

1. Random personal insults that have nothing to do with the discussion.
2. Theatrics and hyperbole, kind of like the post I'm responding to.

No one here wants a forum "full of uncritical praise" nor do they "love sloppy game design." These comments are just absurd and fails to see any nuance and what posters are actually saying.

Posts like that I guess make more entertaining content though, I suppose.

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What part of my OP is hyperbolic? That when players stop paying, it is effective in getting attention from the devs when complaints fail? Or are you trying to say things aren't that bad? It's been 4 years since ShB came out and they've done nothing but take content quality and quantity away, little by little. The forums have had radio silence from devs and community managers for a long time now. Some of Yoshi-P's statements to the players have been downright dismissive, such as the infamous 'go play Ultimate' statement. We saw in front of our eyes some of the FFXIV staff and undoubtedly, funds, get taken to work on another game. Do you think the complaints are getting through to the devs? Because it doesn't seem that way to me. And it's not like this is some new phenomenon. This has been the situation in this game for awhile now.

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What part of my OP is hyperbolic? That when players stop paying, it is effective in getting attention from the devs when complaints fail? Or are you trying to say things aren't that bad? It's been 4 years since ShB came out and they've done nothing but take content quality and quantity away, little by little. The forums have had radio silence from devs and community managers for a long time now. Some of Yoshi-P's statements to the players have been downright dismissive, such as the infamous 'go play Ultimate' statement. We saw in front of our eyes some of the FFXIV staff and undoubtedly, funds, get taken to work on another game. Do you think the complaints are getting through to the devs? Because it doesn't seem that way to me. And it's not like this is some new phenomenon. This has been the situation in this game for awhile now.

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Not everything is about you. In case you didn’t notice I actually responded to someone else. I didn’t even bother reading most of your OP since I really have no interest in whether you’ve temporarily unsubbed rather than your original plan to stay here another year while telling others to.

If you want a response to you specifically I’ll give you one. I find it quite theatrical that you tell people to unsub “forever”. At the time you wrote this you planned on playing another year. Even now I doubt you’ll be gone “forever”. You’re still here now.

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this covers literally every single person that says "just unsub looool", so true

these people just want this weird toxic positivity that they love so much

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Well... They won't get it from me. I come from the Harsh Generation.

Harsh generation, we'll tear your world apart
Sign of the times, this is the coming of a new kind
Harsh generation, we'll tear your world apart
This is the rise, this is the coming of a new kind

:P

I just need your gil before any of you unsub.

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I just need your gil before any of you unsub.

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81 million here, 6 days left.

You can stay poor though.

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81 million here, 6 days left.

You can stay poor though.

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I remember when I only had 81 million, LMAO.

I'll take your salt too, that is just as good.

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Imagine if we all just silently quit in 1.0 rather than actually complained till they fixed the game

Where would all the e thots be today

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Did you ever watch the 3 part NoClip documentary about FFXIV?

Hate to say it but it seems that it was the players who silently quit that impacted things the most. SE was placed in a position where they needed to save face and rescue the franchise's reputation after the game's obvious failure. They still came close to just letting it burn without rebuilding it.

Because you and other players were willing to keep giving SE money for the bad game so they had some revenue to work with, they were able to proceed with the attempt to rebuild it.

All the complaining did was confirm what needed to get fixed once the decision was made to try to save it.

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I view staying and complaining as a better option

Even if it does nothing I’ve spent a lot of time with this game and I feel like I should fight for it, if i just quietly leave sure they will miss my sub but then my voice gets replaced by another generic “1 button rotations on healers is too complex” limsa enjoyer and I don’t want that

Even if I’m screaming into the void it feels better than doing nothing

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Which is understandable. I felt that way about WoW for a while. I thought that adding my voice to all the others pointing out issues with the game would get things to change.

It didn't work while I was still subscribed except the one time all that feedback and criticism was backed up by a sea of subscription cancellations (the WoD flying fiasco). Blizzard went right back to not caring once they got enough players to change their minds about cancelling.

It took continued subscription losses over 3 more expansions (plus the success of Classic) to get Blizzard to start caring about all that feedback.

FFXIV isn't failing right now no matter how much some like to say it is. There are no massive financial and publicity disasters like 1.0 had. If it was in any danger, we'd be seeing them scrambling to get more player feedback on changes needed. They aren't.

That's what happens when people who don't like a product keep paying - they stop the trigger that forces a corporation into action from happening.

You don't need to be paying a subscription to give SE your feedback about the game. If some posters are correct and they're ignoring the EN forums, it's just a waste of your time.

We know they pay attention to some NA and EU content creators. We know they pay attention to Twitter X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. There are probably some other sources they watch as well. Get your voice heard where they're actually listening.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

This is basically me.

I also think all of these "vote with your wallet/stop complaining/go away" posts are disingenuous concern trolling at best. These people don't give a rat's ass if you have a good time or not. They love sloppy game design and want a forum full of uncritical praise for the direction it's been headed.

They want us gone because we point out that modern FFXIV coddled their laziness. They don't like this.

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You can call others lazy all you want. They won't care. Your opinion means nothing to them when they're trying to relax after a hard day at work, caring for their families, etc.

Look at what I posted above. I'm not saying "vote with your wallet" because I don't want you heard.

I want you to vote with your wallet so you do get heard. Corporations don't care until they get hit where it hurts - in their financials.

Being subbed is the best way to not get heard. They're getting your money and that's all they wanted from you in the first place.

Again, you don't have to be subbed for SE to see your feedback about the state of the game. You just need to be talking where they're actually looking.

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Once again, you are highly coping

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FFXIV isn't failing right now no matter how much some like to say it is. There are no massive financial and publicity disasters like 1.0 had. If it was in any danger, we'd be seeing them scrambling to get more player feedback on changes needed. They aren't.

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Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.

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We know they pay attention to some NA and EU content creators. We know they pay attention to Twitter X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. There are probably some other sources they watch as well. Get your voice heard where they're actually listening.

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If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Also stop with this "yeah just unsub it will do something if we all unsub", nah it wont, because of people like you and many others, there is always a defense brigade ready to blame the players instead of the company, and in the worst case scenario, if they were in deficit finance wises due to massive amount of people unsubbing, they'd just bring out more mog shop stuff (which is basically what they've been doing lately, also increasing the price of mounts and glams), the second an item is out, people RUSH to buy it on the store, even multiple times for their alts since a lot is single character only, no matter what it is, if they like it even just a tiny little, they will buy it anyway, just because it's SE that is putting it out, hell if they brought up a $500 plushie of gra'ha eating the taco, people would literally fight "a la black friday" just to get one if the sales were physical.

The point is that FFXIV players have standards so damn low that nothing actually phases them, and it's really mindblowing to me, they could release a turd mount for $50, people would buy the hell out of it because it has sparkle on it.

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Once again, you are highly coping

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No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.

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Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.

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It's gaining players, too. At every step of the way, FFXIV has continued increasing the size of its playerbase with each successive expansion compared to prior ones. For example, if you look at the active playerbase at Patch 2.4, Patch 3.4, Patch 4.4, etc., there's a steady increase, with EW featuring the highest population to date.

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If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

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Now this is "copium" if I've ever seen it.

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No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.



It's gaining players, too. At every step of the way, FFXIV has continued increasing the size of its playerbase with each successive expansion compared to prior ones. For example, if you look at the active playerbase at Patch 2.4, Patch 3.4, Patch 4.4, etc., there's a steady increase, with EW featuring the highest population to date.


Now this is "copium" if I've ever seen it.

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"it's gaining players"

ok buddy

enjoy coping

also lol @ thinking I'm coping when I say that the game's image on twitter is literally gposers, go and take a look for yourself.

I just opened the page with the FFXIV hashtag, and so far 95% of the tweets are of modded characters. (and like 50+% are NSFW)

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Once again, you are highly coping



Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.



If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Also stop with this "yeah just unsub it will do something if we all unsub", nah it wont, because of people like you and many others, there is always a defense brigade ready to blame the players instead of the company, and in the worst case scenario, if they were in deficit finance wises due to massive amount of people unsubbing, they'd just bring out more mog shop stuff (which is basically what they've been doing lately, also increasing the price of mounts and glams), the second an item is out, people RUSH to buy it on the store, even multiple times for their alts since a lot is single character only, no matter what it is, if they like it even just a tiny little, they will buy it anyway, just because it's SE that is putting it out, hell if they brought up a $500 plushie of gra'ha eating the taco, people would literally fight "a la black friday" just to get one if the sales were physical.

The point is that FFXIV players have standards so damn low that nothing actually phases them, and it's really mindblowing to me, they could release a turd mount for $50, people would buy the hell out of it because it has sparkle on it.

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Because that's what some people do. They have access to more money than consumer sense.

Have you never left the inside of your FFXIV houses to learn about people in all their variety? Are you really that sheltered even in your real life?

You throwing mocking comments around won't change things. Your opinion means nothing to those you mock nor does it mean anything to SE.

Your money, however, does mean something to both of them.

If you're enjoying it, then please do go on financially supporting things as they are.

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Because that's what some people do. They have access to more money than consumer sense.

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So ? What does that prove exactly ?

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Have you never left the inside of your FFXIV houses to learn about people in all their variety? Are you really that sheltered even in your real life?

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Sadly I have, there are times I wish I'd stay in my houses, because the community in this game is something else, thankfully there are quite a lot of good people out there, also I aint sure why we are bringing my real life into this.

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You throwing mocking comments around won't change things. Your opinion means nothing to those you mock nor does it mean anything to SE.

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I am not quite sure how me saying you're coping is "mocking" you but sure ?

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Your money, however, does mean something to both of them.

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No it does not, and I mentioned why above.

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I will, thank you.

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also lol @ thinking I'm coping when I say that the game's image on twitter is literally gposers, go and take a look for yourself.

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You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.

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No it does not, and I mentioned why above.

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Except it does mean something to everyone.

Thank you for your support.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.


Except it does mean something to everyone.

Thank you for your support.

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That's exactly what I said ? I said that they embraced that image ?

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Also you are most welcome, and it doesnt mean anything to anybody, I dont think anybody cares about me being subscribed to the game or not, but sure.

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No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.

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You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.

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Pretty sure the reason gposers were brought up, is the fact that a huge number of them are extremely dirty.

No sane company wants their PG13 game to be represented by porn.

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Pretty sure the reason gposers were brought up, is the fact that a huge number of them are extremely dirty.

No sane company wants their PG13 game to be represented by porn.

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Pretty much what I meant yeah, like 50%+ of posts under the FFXIV twitter hashtag are literally NSFW

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Pretty much what I meant yeah, like 50%+ of posts under the FFXIV twitter hashtag are literally NSFW

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FFXIV twitter is embarrassing. Still can't believe people post porn for their characters and pretend to be OnlyFans models -.-

Players have the right to be unhappy with the game. Telling them leave is also not the best solution depending on their issue. Yes complaints get annoying, mostly the trolling ones. But a lot just want the game improved in one or another.

lol when they get mad at someone else for having the same character model/mods with balloon boobs/NSFW as well and go on a twitlonger tour over it. “My hard work, I’m so upset please donate to my kofi/gofundme. I’m so hurt by this.”

This is why I can’t take anything on twitter/discord servers serious within this community ever

https://i.ibb.co/MNSJnsT/forever-and-ever-always.gif

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Players have the right to be unhappy with the game. Telling them leave is also not the best solution depending on their issue. Yes complaints get annoying, mostly the trolling ones. But a lot just want the game improved in one or another.

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Yes. I want the game improved, too. I've wanted that for years. But SE is not listening. We've yelled into the void for years and heard only silence in return. I was suggesting leaving because at this point it's the only thing that can bring about change. Complaining isn't changing anything because SE does not seem to care. If enough players unsubbed at once, it would get SE's attention. And if you don't think it would, then surely you can admit complaints haven't been doing anything either? Why continue to play a game where the devs don't listen to a word you say and keep taking it in the opposite direction from what players seem to want? I'm not commanding anyone here to unsub. But isn't it evident by now that complaints alone aren't working?

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Players have the right to be unhappy with the game. Telling them leave is also not the best solution depending on their issue. Yes complaints get annoying, mostly the trolling ones. But a lot just want the game improved in one or another.

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The issue is that "improvement" is often a very subjective thing. What one person considers an "improvement" could be a complete turn-off for someone else. When your "complaints" basically become hating the very core of the game and demanding changes so extreme that they would likely push away many more people in an attempt to please "you," it says the game and you just don't mesh anymore, and that's okay. It's comments like these:

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I'm well aware sloppy ****** design is popular. It's why Squeenix is pursuing it. Unsubbing has zero impact. This game took money from people who enjoy video games so they could give us 2-3 expansions of an enjoyable video game and then bait-n-switched us with a game designed for lazy ERP Limsa AFKers. I still play for friends. This game's combat design is awful.

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This is utterly condescending, egocentric, and at its core, immature. "Good game design can only mean exactly what *I* like, and if you like something else, then you're awful." That's not helpful. It reveals more about the poster than anything about the game.

I guess I have to admit that non-gameplay things are actually important in an MMO. Part of the reason it's hard to leave XIV is that the world design is so much better than other games. It would be easier for them to add interesting activities here than for other games to completely remake their worlds into places people care about. XIV is the most pretty social/ERP hub.

This game's interface for gamepad/ console players is also a million miles better than any other MMO. Cross hotbar is the only way to have immediate direct access to dozens of abilities, emotes, menus, macros, etc but no other game does it. They've had 10 years to copy but still they have controller layouts that are gimped in some way, and HUDs that can't be customised as much as XIV.

So there's some praise I seldom give these days. FF XIV is the #1 online game for world building, art design, interface, QoL features, music. There are enough reasons for me to stay and care enough to bother complaining about the gameplay, repetitive content loop. It feels like at least 80% of the dev effort is consumed by iterating old content types that have been done a hundred times before. Designing expansions to fit inside an old template is such a waste of their talent.

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The issue is that "improvement" is often a very subjective thing. What one person considers an "improvement" could be a complete turn-off for someone else. When your "complaints" basically become hating the very core of the game and demanding changes so extreme that they would likely push away many more people in an attempt to please "you," it says the game and you just don't mesh anymore, and that's okay. It's comments like these:



This is utterly condescending, egocentric, and at its core, immature. "Good game design can only mean exactly what *I* like, and if you like something else, then you're awful." That's not helpful. It reveals more about the poster than anything about the game.

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The thing posters like you always miss is we are basically just asking for square to admit that the design some of the veterans miss from 2-4.0 actually existed and it is possible to create content with that design philosophy in mind while still catering to modern players

We aren’t asking for to make 14 something it’s not, we are asking for shades of the game we miss back after square abandoned us to appeal to a player base that by and large doesn’t interact with more of the genres deeper systems so it brings the experience down for all of us, an example would be job design a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor was not a bad thing for casuals, a skill ceiling that is it’s skill floor is bad for veterans

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The thing posters like you always miss is we are basically just asking for square to admit that the design some of the veterans miss from 2-4.0 actually existed and it is possible to create content with that design philosophy in mind while still catering to modern players

We aren’t asking for to make 14 something it’s not, we are asking for shades of the game we miss back after square abandoned us to appeal to a player base that by and large doesn’t interact with more of the genres deeper systems so it brings the experience down for all of us, an example would be job design a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor was not a bad thing for casuals, a skill ceiling that is it’s skill floor is bad for veterans

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This game as a whole was so much worse designed back then, this is why nobody takes you crackpots seriously.

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This game as a whole was so much worse designed back then, this is why nobody takes you crackpots seriously.

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SB was far better than the current game (unless you are an e thot) and we all know HW and ARR was flawed but it had its good points

Not all of us think “accessible” (read braindead) jobs, 30 minutes of story every 5 months and zero repetitive content is a good thing

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This game as a whole was so much worse designed back then, this is why nobody takes you crackpots seriously.

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And you think how mindlessly braindead easy the game has become is any better. Playing the game in the endwalker era feels like playing on cruise control with how easy it got to play jobs and how they feel they need to keep "perfect balance for the 2 minute meta". I would gladly go back to the arr-sb period if it meant we got away from the boring 2 minute meta because they want to keep there perfect balance where every job plays the same. But i guess i would be considered a crackpot for preferring that period of combat design over the 2 minute era of endwalkers.

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This game as a whole was so much worse designed back then, this is why nobody takes you crackpots seriously.

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I'm actually curious. Can you tell me some of the things that were designed worse? FFXIV has certainly improved in the social scene, with stuff like glams, emotes, adventurer plates and the like. A lot of people who picked up this game originally weren't looking for that sort of stuff to be the meat and potatoes of our experience. I certainly bought it so I could play a game. Not socialize in late night e-venues.

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I'm actually curious. Can you tell me some of the things that were designed worse? FFXIV has certainly improved in the social scene, with stuff like glams, emotes, adventurer plates and the like. A lot of people who picked up this game originally weren't looking for that sort of stuff to be the meat and potatoes of our experience. I certainly bought it so I could play a game. Not socialize in late night e-venues.

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There was things genuinely badly implemented, things straight off the top of my head
-CD’s not resetting on wipe
-DRG having super low magical defence for no reason
-weakness and brink of death reducing health and defence
-gordias
-first coil

The game wasn’t perfect and I never pretend it was, but like you I also play this game to play a game; not to hang out and gpose on twitter

Here's why I have my stance for unsubbing if you're truly unhappy.

We have had quite a few examples of MMOs having to make big changes because they have been under fire with people unsubbing their game and leaving for something else. The two that come to my mind atm are World of Warcraft and Lost Ark.

World of Warcraft which seriously needs to be studied in both its game design and history for any MMO to learn from all the successes and failures of the genre imo; because this game currently is on its path of trying to undo all the damage that stubborn developers have accumulated for years because of not listening to the feedback of its audience. This came about with Shadowlands; and although there were other factors affecting the mass exodus (such as company allegations) the years of feedback falling on death ears have caused long time fans and veterans of the game to finally wake up and unsub. The amount of people unsubbing caused Blizzard to quickly backtrack on their established designs and because of Dragonflight; its been a slow process for them to make the changes that people have asked for the game.

With Lost Ark, it was the same, where once the most popular MMO in Korea quickly fell down because of the numerous amounts of endless unfun grinds and other issues (not very familiar with the game honestly, but word online is that this game aint doing too good) have drove away their consumers from continuing playing the game and this caused the developers there to make emergency streams to try to do damage control and listen to feedback.

These companies while they create games, we cant forget that they're a business. And a business wont truly listen to your feedback if you continue to pay for the service. It gets complacent in its own stride and this is something that unfortunately I feel is slowly creeping on the FFXIV dev team. This isnt ever about people not wanting to listen to complaints on the forums or ignoring criticism, this is about having the integrity to vote with your wallet and leaving the game if you're actually not enjoying playing the game. Results speak for themselves and again, 2.0 would've never happened were it not for people leaving the game.

And before people give the excuse of "oh but then how will they ever get feedback if nobody is play-" let me stop you right there, because guys, I know it sometimes easy to forget but we have a thing called the internet. The dev team can easily figure and research the data that has already been provided in numerous online outlets. That feedback doesnt just magically disappear if the majority leaves. But again I apply this statement to any of those who actually dont enjoy playing this game anymore. Why would you waste more of your time giving a company your money on something that you detest?

I say it again, at the end of the day, gaming is a business to these devs. And nothing speaks louder and clearer than the loss of money.

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That's all good and beautiful in a rainbow world.

Fact is, if there was a loss of playerbase, they would just spit out more mogstation purchases, put up the price, and people would jump in in droves to buy the stuff. (which they started doing lately by the way, more and more stuff on the shop)

Literally all they have to do is sell a $500 plushie of graha eating a taco, and people would fight for it black friday style if it was an in person sale, and it'd go out of stock in a matter of 5 minutes if it was on the site.

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That's all good and beautiful in a rainbow world.

Fact is, if there was a loss of playerbase, they would just spit out more mogstation purchases, put up the price, and people would jump in in droves to buy the stuff. (which they started doing lately by the way, more and more stuff on the shop)

Literally all they have to do is sell a $500 plushie of graha eating a taco, and people would fight for it black friday style if it was an in person sale, and it'd go out of stock in a matter of 5 minutes if it was on the site.

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Eh. I wouldn't doomsay just yet. Now if FF14 got something as game ruining as the WoW Token then that's when it's over.

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Eh. I wouldn't doomsay just yet. Now if FF14 got something as game ruining as the WoW Token then that's when it's over.

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Stop being so obsessed with blizzard and focus on your own game

yall weird with that focus on what WoW does wrong to justify the state of your own game

also lol @ the wow token when everyone is doing RMT in plain sight in Limsa

let me laugh

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Stop being so obsessed with blizzard and focus on your own game

yall weird with that focus on what WoW does wrong to justify the state of your own game

also lol @ the wow token when everyone is doing RMT in plain sight in Limsa

let me laugh

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You need to learn how to type before thinking about insulting others. I suggest googling what grammar, capitalization, commas, and periods are.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

You need to learn how to type before thinking about insulting others. I suggest googling what grammar, capitalization, commas, and periods are.

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good one dude, is that all you have to say to what I just mentioned ? thought so

good attempt though, also my english is perfectly fine, idk what you're even trying to attack but sure buddy