Review of 6.3 Story Content

No guild it is famous. Is because great community by the way only support the game is only thing hear. Chara who attack the game are the unique chara who win attention of all player because silent majority view are the medium rare take. Game it give the platform to make the guild important. If game die must find new popular game to give attention from all player is why guild try fix game.

The game it only nail the coffin. Final nail of the coffin patch 60 is No Shadow God country is die. It unexpected event no ever predict in Shadowbringing. Final nail of the coffin patch 61 is No Shadow God is ignore by writer. Chara skip all cutscene not write about No Shadow God so is waste of money. Final nail of the coffin patch 62 is Lahee is simp for the Athens God. Final nail of the coffin patch 63 is Venar army pretend God. Final nail of the coffin patch 64 is more Lahee simp for the Athens. If this happen game will truly lose and all player will unsubscribing. I can not predicting the final nail of patch 65 because is too future.

this thread is the most insane shit possible, lmao

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Originally Posted by hammersickle

this thread is the most insane shit possible, lmao

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Oh, this is positively tame compared to some previous aveyond threads.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Oh, this is positively tame compared to some previous aveyond threads.

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Yeah, this is nothing XD.
OP has been much worse. But still entertaining none the less

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Cool. There’s no point sticking around in a game that has seemingly completely betrayed me at every turn

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Heard this before....

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Heard this before....

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Trust no one publicly announcing on the forum that they will leave the game. They will be back. If they really would leave they would not bother announcing it and instead just do it.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Trust no one publicly announcing on the forum that they will leave the game. They will be back. If they really would leave they would not bother announcing it and instead just do it.

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not only will they be back, but then complain about spending money to be back after saying how much they hate the direction, the characters, the devs, food scenes.. ad infinitum

despite all the "better" games out there, they return.

personally, so far, I dont mind the patch at all, but I also didnt complete it and all the newer things in under 6 hours

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Trust no one publicly announcing on the forum that they will leave the game. They will be back. If they really would leave they would not bother announcing it and instead just do it.

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Oh he thinks the developers and writers will hear him and be sure to run everything by him before proceeding. I think he needs to check the congested server list to see how the game is faring and spend some time in cities to see the crowds, I've been here a long time and they've never been like this. Last I checked there were adding Servers and Data Centers so you can be pretty sure they won't miss this wet blanket who does nothing but complain about everything.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

The low point of the patch is his returning to the forum to spew his brand of lunacy. Talk is cheap he left but he is BACK and I'm sure this isn't the last time.

Well written critique, OP.

I wasn't big on the MSQ this time around either. I didn't expect it to be a banger since Endwalker already concluded and 6.3 was slated to be a middle chapter and not a conclusion like previous .3s, but it still left a lot to be desired for me as well. Zero's character arc has been exhausting. The scene with the meatbun felt weird after coming off of like 2 hours of cutscenes where everyone stood around stiff as a board and nodding occasionally. I've basically given up on expecting this final fantasy game to have a visually engaging storyline, but every once in a while hildibrand or a meatbun will make me remember that they can create well animated cutscenes but simply choose not to unless it's for memes. The lengthy solo duty at the end, where you play as basically a level 60 reaper and just spam your aoe, bored me to tears. The fiends have seemed less and less interesting the more the writers have revealed about them. Their motives were not interesting to me. It just feels like Fandaniel but without the open malice that made him fun.

Gameplay-wise... I feel like a lot of it suffered from Aglaia/Barbariccia being insanely fun. It would've been a hard act for anyone to follow. I can't speak for others, but my hopes were high for the new alliance raid at least. I'll get to that in a minute though. I thought the new dungeon was a lot better than Troia, at least, but Troia was awful from a mechanical perspective. I passed on every piece of gear because the stats are negligible and the appearance is void ark stuff that I either never wanted, or already own. The trial, especially compared to barbariccia before him, was so boring for me. The boss itself looked cool as hell, but ultimately all he did was a single arena rotation mechanic and some aoes. It didn't inspire me to run the extreme version like barbariccia, and the weapons he drops were a miss for me. I'd only be doing it for the glam and these are purple and red flame decal looking things that obviously can't be dyed. The alliance raid ... god, it pains me to say it, because I loved Aglaia, but this one really felt like Halone did all the heavy lifting while the other bosses were definitely there, but not particularly memorable. Balancing its ilvl to 595 was a mistake; people are walking in there with 630 and absolutely blowing it up before the first week is even up. The runs I've healed have either been insanely fast, or they've been absolute nightmare scenarios with no in between. Every Aglaia boss felt like a memorable and absolute banger, but this one was like... boss1 does some in/out donuts and a forced march. the second boss has an enrage timer that's such a joke I've literally had groups where 90% of the team died and we still made it with some time to spare. halone is a banger. final boss i was hyped to do because it's my deity, but it's basically just the dog from eden with a floating woman on top. idk, I love alliance raids but compared to aglaia this just felt a bit empty to me, except halone which was a pretty fun fight with cool looking mechanics. It's been 2 days and I've already kind of lost my desire to go and run it more.

Also I'm just going to say it, the flower tattoo on the tataru outfit is low-res and looks slapped on. Someone designed a really beautiful outfit and then ruined it with a forced flower that looks like pixelated skin lesions splayed over a varicose vein. On au ra, it cuts straight over our scales too, and looks horrible.

The insistence on cramming the scions back into relevance and the new edgy OC (No tipping your hat is not characterisation, it's called being a pillock) makes these new patches feel akin to awkward fan fiction.

If only there were a new party of diverse and interesting characters we could party up with, that we already knew through MSQ content, who also happen to be THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS RELATING TO THE VOID......

Btw on a completely unrelated note the shadowbtinger role quests were pretty cool. I hope they become more relevant.

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Originally Posted by undull1

The insistence on cramming the scions back into relevance and the new edgy OC (No tipping your hat is not characterisation, it's called being a pillock) makes these new patches feel akin to awkward fan fiction.

If only there were a new party of diverse and interesting characters we could party up with, that we already knew through MSQ content, who also happen to be THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS RELATING TO THE VOID......

Btw on a completely unrelated note the shadowbtinger role quests were pretty cool. I hope they become more relevant.

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Question. Where's the cramming? The people that have joined up with us have made sense. I'd maybe agree if they had all the Scion back and part of every piece of this but that hasn't been the case. You are the only person I've seen ever have an issue with a hat tipping. Its simply something she does, akin to male characters who swipe their nose with their thumb for cool factor. If that alone make something fan faction...Jesus christ I wouldn't want to be a writer trying to please you people.

I'll tell you like I told someone else here, this is about saving Vrtra's sister. What good does a new cast do here? I'd rather be stepping into the 13th with my most trusted allies.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

You are the only person I've seen ever have an issue with a hat tipping. Its simply something she does, akin to male characters who swipe their nose with their thumb for cool factor.

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I have no major complaints with msq, but it feels like she tips her hat no less than 1 time per voiced conversation with her, and nearly every conversation with her is voiced. In animes the nose swipe (or really any character pose quirk) is generally not done anywhere near that often unless the character is being poked fun of.

Once my friend pointed out how often she fiddles with her hat I couldn't stop noticing it lol

Zero in a nut shell

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I have no major complaints with msq, but it feels like she tips her hat no less than 1 time per voiced conversation with her, and nearly every conversation with her is voiced. In animes the nose swipe (or really any character pose quirk) is generally not done anywhere near that often unless the character is being poked fun of.

Once my friend pointed out how often she fiddles with her hat I couldn't stop noticing it lol

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And my question is...why does this bother you? (If it does) It harms no one and changes nothing.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

And my question is...why does this bother you? (If it does) It harms no one and changes nothing.

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If someone in your fc nominates it as the patch day drinking game you will be hospitalized.

On a more serious note, as an animator it’s a little jarring because it is basically a stock animation that gets reused again and again as the focus of a scene. It doesn’t help that in XIV the character animation is usually awkwardly staggered so everything comes to a complete stop so Zero can pull her hat down, pause, then do/say whatever she mean to do/say. They’re starting to put more effort into animation (Estinien jumping a fence, Jullus tearing the bread) so it’d be nice if Zero got variations of the quirk if she is to do it so often.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

And my question is...why does this bother you? (If it does) It harms no one and changes nothing.

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Imagine someone saying " You know?" after everything they say you know? It's gets a little annoying after a while you know? Like it's suppose to be a quirky thing they do you know but eventually it's the only thing you can focus on you know? You know what I'm saying?

But seriously I just ignore it too but I've noticed she does it a lot and I'm Mr. Oblivious. I can see why others would get tired of it.

I liked her hat tipping. Nice little character quirk. Plus if I had a hat like that in real life you bet I would be doing that too!

I do get why people would have liked a newer cast, especially how Endwalker finished with them going their separate ways, but it makes sense who we have. It would have been a crime had Y'shtola not been involved given how we know crossing the Shard is important to her. The twins made sense as they where operating in that area. Gra felt a little forced perhaps, but quickly went off to do his own thing in the Raids once Support Duty business was done, just like the twins. Estinien is the only one who kinda feels a little loose, but I like his relationship with Vetra at least.

I think we may have one ‘legacy’ character join us perhaps in 7.0, and hopefully Zero if she survives the patch, but I think we will get to meet a new main cast of characters to fall in love with. It all depends where its taking place. My bet is we will rescue Azdaja and accompany her back to Meracydia. I could be wrong, and if I am then I at least hope they do new things with whoever joins us!

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Originally Posted by undull1

Btw on a completely unrelated note the shadowbtinger role quests were pretty cool. I hope they become more relevant.

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I would LOVE it if they do manage to add them somehow to current plot outside of new flavor text, that whole questline is one of my favs in the game. However I do not think they will do anything big unfortunately. No way are they gonna force players to get level 80 on at least two DPS jobs, a healer and tank to progress the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Imagine someone saying " You know?" after everything they say you know? It's gets a little annoying after a while you know? Like it's suppose to be a quirky thing they do you know but eventually it's the only thing you can focus on you know? You know what I'm saying?

But seriously I just ignore it too but I've noticed she does it a lot and I'm Mr. Oblivious. I can see why others would get tired of it.

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Wouldn't bother me tbh. Raijin from FF8 is exactly like this. If that becomes all you can focus on that seem more like a personal problem. (Not a shot at anyone, just saying). Being tired of something so miniscule just seems nitpicky

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Wouldn't bother me tbh. Raijin from FF8 is exactly like this. If that becomes all you can focus on that seem more like a personal problem. (Not a shot at anyone, just saying). Being tired of something so miniscule just seems nitpicky

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You're more tolerant than most then. If my WoL had the ability he would slap her hand down with a "Could you not?"

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Originally Posted by Renalt

You're more tolerant than most then. If my WoL had the ability he would slap her hand down with a "Could you not?"

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After a decade of recycled animations in FFXIV, I’m immune.

There are other, more egregious examples of this, especially in Endwalker, so it’s a bit much to just put it all on her and get annoyed by it.

The Ea have their whole head detachment animation sequence, the Omicrons have the same head-scratching that the Sahagin have because they share a skeleton, and Haurchefant had his whole thing that even got made into an emote.

Hildebrand’s quests are even worse in this regard but Hildebrand is Hildebrand.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

After a decade of recycled animations in FFXIV, I’m immune.

There are other, more egregious examples of this, especially in Endwalker, so it’s a bit much to just put it all on her and get annoyed by it.

The Ea have their whole head detachment animation sequence, the Omicrons have the same head-scratching that the Sahagin have because they share a skeleton, and Haurchefant had his whole thing that even got made into an emote.

Hildebrand’s quests are even worse in this regard but Hildebrand is Hildebrand.

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I think it's less about recycled animations ( good ol fist punch and head nod ) and more the frequency that it happens. It's almost every single time they cut to her...and with this patch being a lot of development for her...it's A LOT. Imagine if our WoL did their little thing every single time it cut to them...and even like framed it so it's all you see. It would be picked on too.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I think it's less about recycled animations ( good ol fist punch and head nod ) and more the frequency that it happens. It's almost every single time they cut to her...and with this patch being a lot of development for her...it's A LOT. Imagine if our WoL did their little thing every single time it cut to them...and even like framed it so it's all you see. It would be picked on too.

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I wonder if it was just as bad as pre EW Alphinaud and his fist clutching. Course there was a lot of that during then and throughout the game. And dang it you got me to post in this thread. I was having such a good time just lurking and eating popcorn while people used the same arguments that have and will be ignored by the OP and any of their food hating defenders. I'm surprised one of his defenders didn't pull their "don't bully him by the word choice and phrasing" card they oh so love to play. How dare, How dare I say some one try and stifel the voices of those brave enough to criticize the game. eye roll

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Originally Posted by SannaR

And dang it you got me to post in this thread.

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I'm not apologizing! Nah I get exactly what you mean...but sometimes you just gotta jump into the mud and get dirty with the rest of us! We know Mr. OP isn't gonna join in unless someone strokes his ego a bit so you won't have to see him respond any till someone eventually does.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I think it's less about recycled animations ( good ol fist punch and head nod ) and more the frequency that it happens. It's almost every single time they cut to her...and with this patch being a lot of development for her...it's A LOT. Imagine if our WoL did their little thing every single time it cut to them...and even like framed it so it's all you see. It would be picked on too.

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My point wasn’t just that they’re recycled animations. The Ea, Omicrons, and Lopporits do their animations in every single cutscene they exist in, probably because those models can’t do much else.

Even if you ignore beastmen models, NPCs have had quirks just as common as Zero’s hat touch. Like Yda constantly doing squats in every other cutscene or Emet-Selch’s snap and wave.

This kind of thing has been around since the beginning and eventually they get referenced later on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zero loses her hat at some point and goes to touch it and it’s not there.

I honestly found Jullus and Zero to be rather adorable together in what scenes they got. Also that buuz scene was great, partly from a technical level.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Like Yda constantly doing squats in every other cutscene or Emet-Selch’s snap and wave.

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They do that every cut scene? I must not have paid attention cause I can name the snap in like 3 cut scenes of Emet when he is in a LOT of cut scenes. Zero tipped her hat at least that much in the hour I played last night.

There is a difference between a signature motion and something that is done almost every single time.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Even if you ignore beastmen models, NPCs have had quirks just as common as Zero’s hat touch. Like Yda constantly doing squats in every other cutscene or Emet-Selch’s snap and wave.

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I think Emet does his sassy wave around 3 times across the entirety of Shadowbringers. I think he does his lil snap around 5 times in SHB and about the same amount in EW. He would have needed to end every conversation with a snap to keep up with Zero's hat tugging.

Similarly, I can't even think of a full handfull of times Yda does squats ^^;

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Originally Posted by Whalaqee

I honestly found Jullus and Zero to be rather adorable together in what scenes they got. Also that buuz scene was great, partly from a technical level.

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I agree on both counts. I know OP doesn't like the animated food stuff, but in this case I thought it really suited the scene.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I think Emet does his sassy wave around 3 times across the entirety of Shadowbringers. I think he does his lil snap around 5 times in SHB and about the same amount in EW. He would have needed to end every conversation with a snap to keep up with Zero's hat tugging.

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Emet-Selch snaps three times in one cutscene in ShB. It's his go-to motion for performing a magical effect and was done enough just for him that we're able to pick him out when he looks like the standard faceless Ancient ghost thing.

Maybe it's because everyone else in the game can only do about 40 motions and Zero has a unique one, but it's just weird to be nitpicky and legitimately bothered by a unique emote. If she instead did the standard hand-to-chest-looking-down that Minfilia did every cutscene or the twins' chin touching, no one would've batted an eye.

1.0's cutscenes had a lot of life in them because they were mo-capped and everything from ARR and beyond is just the same stock motions over and over. If we're not ever getting that back, I think more important NPCs need more unique motions and character quirks to make them feel more like characters and less like puppets that share the same range of emotes. Zero has nothing going on emotionally so otherwise she would just stand there silently with no expression on her face during all of her "thinking" scenes, which I think is more uncanny than touching her hat.

One thing i had been wondering about plot wise:
If Halone and Menphina are Ice goddess, and their marks are put somewhere related to them and their elements, then Why did they put their marks in Coerthas? Up until 5 years ago it was a warm, lush climate much like La Noscea. lol

Bahamut altered the regions Aether turning them into the frost covered lands we see now.

Halone's stone being in Coerthas makes sense when Ishgard is dedicated to her right nearby. The question is whether Halone's stone is there because of the Ishgardian church, or if the Ishgardian church is there because of Halone's stone. Might be getting into "chicken or the egg" territory without further lore, though.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

One thing i had been wondering about plot wise:
If Halone and Menphina are Ice goddess, and their marks are put somewhere related to them and their elements, then Why did they put their marks in Coerthas? Up until 5 years ago it was a warm, lush climate much like La Noscea. lol

Bahamut altered the regions Aether turning them into the frost covered lands we see now.

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Coerthas was always cold in winter, even before ARR. 1.0 Coerthas looked like high alpine tundra in the summertime, a mostly barren landscape with some ground cover and small groups of pine trees.

It's just that now it's permanently winter and they're trapped in an ice age.

I enjoyed it, but it would be nice to see a direction or introduction of a new cast to steadily migrate into something new and fresh for 7.0.


To all those who are doing their routine "I'm unsubbing" - I look forward to seeing you in 6.4 where you can say the same once again.

'-' I liked 6.3. It was fine. I'm not expecting Literature Awards-level of depth, but I'm also not seeing it degrade into something as boring as WoW is. It feels like the standard bland Final Fantasy plot I'm used to, and I'm okay with that.

I do agree that Zero being a foodie and constantly tipping her hat whenever her brain hamsters decide to work is really glaring and overdone. But until JP decides to tell SE that, we're not going to see any changes.

Otherwise, nothing major to point out, it was pretty standard. You guys sure the bad stuff you guys point out is that bad and makes you lose interest in the MSQ, or does it just sound that way because you're posting in the OFs?

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Imagine someone saying " You know?" after everything they say you know?

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Psst.

Pssst.

Dattebayo.

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The current arc is boring. 6.3 was shite.

Alisaie being the teacher's, or in this case the writers', pet as always. Good thinking there giving me 2 dialog choices that force my WoL to take her little outburst seriously. I don't know why they seem so intent on forcing the player's WoL to be super emotional and act completely submissive to every Scion. "WoL is what the player shapes them to be" my arse.
Alisaie was particularly annoying here. And she does it again by acting like Zero is her bestie after spending less than an hour talking to her. She was just short of saying something like "Oh Zero that's so you hahaha".

By the way they're just gonna keep rehashing the dungeon map recycled for tedious MSQ chores every patch aren't they? The ceruleum busywork was clearly just included to pad this short patch. At least it wasn't as terrible as in 6.2 with the constant "go back a room, now another room, now another room, now go back to the last area, now go back a few rooms, now go back to the last area" pinnacle of quest design.

This patch MSQ in particular felt like the episode of an anime show for elementary school kids. Lowering stakes doesn't mean lowering the nuance and age of the target demographic.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

only thing I didn't like about the MSQ was the role playing garbage they keep throwing down our throats. I detest playing characters that are not my own(yes I know I'm outnumbered in that mindset but I also know I'm not the only one. I would rather have the option to do something else and watch a CS of these other characters). other than that I quite like the MSQ.

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This is my only issue with the patch. I hate any time a game makes me play as another character or vehicle, etc.

I thought MSQ continued to be brilliant, and very much enjoyed the new dungeon, trial, and alliance raid. So much new content in a single patch.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The current arc is boring. 6.3 was shite.

Alisaie being the teacher's, or in this case the writers', pet as always. Good thinking there giving me 2 dialog choices that force my WoL to take her little outburst seriously. I don't know why they seem so intent on forcing the player's WoL to be super emotional and act completely submissive to every Scion. "WoL is what the player shapes them to be" my arse.
Alisaie was particularly annoying here. And she does it again by acting like Zero is her bestie after spending less than an hour talking to her. She was just short of saying something like "Oh Zero that's so you hahaha".

By the way they're just gonna keep rehashing the dungeon map recycled for tedious MSQ chores every patch aren't they? The ceruleum busywork was clearly just included to pad this short patch. At least it wasn't as terrible as in 6.2 with the constant "go back a room, now another room, now another room, now go back to the last area, now go back a few rooms, now go back to the last area" pinnacle of quest design.

This patch MSQ in particular felt like the episode of an anime show for elementary school kids. Lowering stakes doesn't mean lowering the nuance and age of the target demographic.

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Alisaie's behavior actually fits her though. She's always looking for a way to improve herself and her skills. Alisaie wants to hopefully one day be as good if not surpass the WoL so of course she would get slightly upset about missing out on a chance to go and do that. Then there's her relationship with G'Raha where it sort of is sibling-ish but also slightly rivalry-ish.

When it comes to Zero why should she be prickly towards someone the WoL, Estinien and Y'shtola seem to be ok with even if they're a half voidsent. Even if said person had tried to kill them. One could say that the WoL from a certain point of view also tried to kill her yet hasn't allowed that to color her view of us. The nail in the coffin so to speak was Zero reiterating again that she didn't enjoy having been Zenos's avatar. That and she likes personalities like the one Zero has/is growing into. She doesn't have an older sister or a female remodel like Alphinaud does with Estinien. I'm sure Moenbryda would have been that person, but we all know how that ended.

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Originally Posted by Jemachu

Exactly, at least Emet's snap serves a purpose too. Zero's m'lady tip is being used to punctuate her dialogue and the whole scene has to pause whilst she does it which makes it even more obvious how repetitive it is.

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It does serve a purpose tho?

Its always used when she thinks about something
It‘s her thinking quirk

If you dont want to show confusion and uncertainty, hiding your eyes/face is a good way to do so

But to each their own, you dont need to like it after all

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

It does serve a purpose tho?

Its always used when she thinks about something
It‘s her thinking quirk

If you dont want to show confusion and uncertainty, hiding your eyes/face is a good way to do so

But to each their own, you dont need to like it after all

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Having a custom made body they probably didnt want to give her an animation set of any specific race and instead just gave her her own custom thinking emote.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Halone's stone being in Coerthas makes sense when Ishgard is dedicated to her right nearby. The question is whether Halone's stone is there because of the Ishgardian church, or if the Ishgardian church is there because of Halone's stone. Might be getting into "chicken or the egg" territory without further lore, though.

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I find myself wondering whether as certain persons grave was those close to that stone by deliberate intent.

BTW has anyone told Halone what the Inquisition does in her name? Forcing people to jump off a cliff to prove their innocence? I doubt even She would be forgiving of that.