The Devs need a much needed thanks!

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

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I touch it but my gcd doesnt work what the heck is that.

Bottom line is, devs get praised when they do something impressive.

If they do the bare minimum (if even that), they dont get anything except this "toxic positivity" that very few people are spreading (thank god), they dont deserve thanks for doing barely anything at all.

Work better, get praises, do the bare minimum, no praises. As it should be.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Bottom line is, devs get praised when they do something impressive.

If they do the bare minimum (if even that), they dont get anything except this "toxic positivity" that very few people are spreading (thank god), they dont deserve thanks for doing barely anything at all.

Work better, get praises, do the bare minimum, no praises. As it should be.

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I just want to point out that whenever anyone says "most people hate X about this game/dev team", people defend them with "not most, only the forums". Which they do: tweets, reddit posts, streamers, cosplayers... The community is known for being nice, and that's what players also tend to externalize the most on other media. A bit too much at times, but rarely ever do you have any negative comment.

They have more than enough praise across the internet. This is the place where they ask for feedback, and not all feedback will be pleasant, nor something everyone has to agree with. It shouldn't be the only singular purpose of these forums, but it does contribute to perceived negativity.

Sooo yeah, they do get praise when they do something good. idk why people think that they don't.
What they never get is anything negative unless it's here. And some people just don't like that it exists at all.

The bounteous amounts of hypocrisy..

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Work better, get praises, do the bare minimum, no praises. As it should be.

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I disagree with your entire premise. If something is as I'm expecting (the "bare minimum" as you put it), and I already enjoy it, I would consider that worthy of praise. If it's better than I'm expecting, that's even more so.

So for those that continue to enjoy the game, I think it's appropriate to praise the developers.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

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To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase? It's more reflective of the popularity of FFXIV than anything else - there's simply so many people loving the game right now that even the few among them who spend their time on the forums are speaking up instead of just letting the ever-present echo chamber of negativity go unchallenged.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase? It's more reflective of the popularity of FFXIV than anything else - there's simply so many people loving the game right now that even the few among them who spend their time on the forums are speaking up instead of just letting the ever-present echo chamber of negativity go unchallenged.

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I wonder if people who were playing WoW when it started to go south posted stuff like this on their boards.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase? It's more reflective of the popularity of FFXIV than anything else - there's simply so many people loving the game right now that even the few among them who spend their time on the forums are speaking up instead of just letting the ever-present echo chamber of negativity go unchallenged.

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Okay but this is also a place for discussion and feedback, not the dev congratulations echo chamber

Making counter threads whenever controversy happens is just white knighting and helps nobody

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Originally Posted by Striker44

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase? It's more reflective of the popularity of FFXIV than anything else - there's simply so many people loving the game right now that even the few among them who spend their time on the forums are speaking up instead of just letting the ever-present echo chamber of negativity go unchallenged.

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that is the most crazy thing to say. people are enjoying it which is fine but what about the issues that they having? Place it on the fourm. and beside if you think complaining is bad then stop playing a male miqote then. They never was playable until after a AAR due to people complaining

Now to the topic. There are so much to unpack. What a lot of this boils down to is not blindly praise anything. Take meta critic on the day after post of ender walker as a good example . You praise when things are good, when things are bad we provide feed back. we don't just make a post to counter something and then try to say that that only 2% don't even know what they are talking about.

While as we legit always try to do that but you know what? many people including yourself are the same one to shut down criticism. Take drk and living dead. People actually thought that was the best invul in game and it was planned. I can count how many time that i died because i planned using it and still died because of the healer does not know how it works. After years it finally got fixed after yoshi p said him self that he was not aware that this was an issue.



Yoshi and his team gets a lot of praise no matter what. When another game does bad, game journalist will always reference aar as a example to fix there game. This is a staple for alot. When he was at e3 i think? a lot of people cheered him on because of what he did to 14

We know they can do better, we want them to do better. As it stand they becoming to complacent. Not going to sugar code it. I do understand that yoshi himself is taking another part as helping to develop the new ff entry.

We get tired of the same thing and things not being updated. Like apartments , like the characters, housing, glamour, squadrons etc. We bring these things up and guess what? many people will shut that down because they don't want to change.

We get tired of them not explaining the changes. As you can see they recently started doing this.

if you notice they add systems on top of systems that they never go back to update.

feedback to you is that you need to start asking questions to see why people upset.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I wonder if people who were playing WoW when it started to go south posted stuff like this on their boards.

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They did, yeah. And still do at times despite having hit rock bottom. You would be surprised as to just how willing people are to die on strange hills.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Okay but this is also a place for discussion and feedback, not the dev congratulations echo chamber

Making counter threads whenever controversy happens is just white knighting and helps nobody

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Not necessarily. Especially when you consider how some people here consider the simple number of pages a thread has as an indication of how much "support" the initial thought has (rather than acknowledging it could be a thorough discussion with people on both sides). It's not "white knighting" at all to make one post about a topic saying you enjoy it in a forum surrounded by a bunch of other negative posts. Positive feedback is feedback, too. Or is that the plan? Say "this should be about criticism, anybody posting positive things is just a shill" then saying "see there's only negative posts here, the devs are horrible and should change everything they do." There's no honesty there. It might not help the perpetual naysayers to see people posting positive comments, but it does in fact help everyone to show that said naysayers aren't the norm among the wider playerbase.

Frankly, it amuses me to see how the same people will claim there are all of these other sites that are utterly and completely intolerant of any negative comments about the game, just filled with oodles of people praising the devs, and how these forums are the only place where one can post negative comments...and then in the next breath claim that the negative comments from our few dozen or so folks here are somehow massively representative of the wider community and should be taken as the norm.

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

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You do realize that the OP lowkey insults people who are complaining about the balance, right?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Not necessarily. Especially when you consider how some people here consider the simple number of pages a thread has as an indication of how much "support" the initial thought has (rather than acknowledging it could be a thorough discussion with people on both sides). It's not "white knighting" at all to make one post about a topic saying you enjoy it in a forum surrounded by a bunch of other negative posts. Positive feedback is feedback, too. Or is that the plan? Say "this should be about criticism, anybody posting positive things is just a shill" then saying "see there's only negative posts here, the devs are horrible and should change everything they do." There's no honesty there. It might not help the perpetual naysayers to see people posting positive comments, but it does in fact help everyone to show that said naysayers aren't the norm among the wider playerbase.

Frankly, it amuses me to see how the same people will claim there are all of these other sites that are utterly and completely intolerant of any negative comments about the game, just filled with oodles of people praising the devs, and how these forums are the only place where one can post negative comments...and then in the next breath claim that the negative comments from our few dozen or so folks here are somehow massively representative of the wider community and should be taken as the norm.

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

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A positive topic is fine and you’ll see past positive topics are always well received, a positive topic that basically amounts to “don’t look at all those people complaining everything is fine UWU” is just stupid and a waste

I certainly couldn’t care less overall (I basically sit on these forums because I get enjoyment out of arguing I don’t really care about the topic it’s not like I actually get angry or involved over it) but it’s just funny that people have had 4 months to praise the devs (6.1 was well received) but not gotta wait till the community on here gets angry then throw the UWU bomb

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

If something is as I'm expecting (the "bare minimum" as you put it), and I already enjoy it, I would consider that worthy of praise.

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That's - by definition - only a participation award.

Think: "Congratulations you, you got your computer turned on all by yourself today! Well Done!" and you see how vapid it is.

And this sort of crap - that seemingly infests schools today - only leads to genuine worthy praise becoming meaningless and worthless.

"Oh wonderful job Mary, you managed to tie your shoelaces! Have a gold star! And you Einstein came up with a new formula for the theory of life, the universe and everything, yes, you can have a gold star too! Now go sit down you two and we will give Jane a gold star for sharpening her pencils"

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

A positive topic is fine and you’ll see past positive topics are always well received, a positive topic that basically amounts to “don’t look at all those people complaining everything is fine UWU” is just stupid and a waste

I certainly couldn’t care less overall (I basically sit on these forums because I get enjoyment out of arguing I don’t really care about the topic it’s not like I actually get angry or involved over it) but it’s just funny that people have had 4 months to praise the devs (6.1 was well received) but not gotta wait till the community on here gets angry then throw the UWU bomb

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going to see if you know the reference. did you take your joy today?

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Originally Posted by Axxion

going to see if you know the reference. did you take your joy today?

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How dare you quote we happy few at me haha

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

How dare you quote we happy few at me haha

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is it wrong to say that if feels like a lot of people take joy on here tho :P

and them tags tho

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Okay but this is also a place for discussion and feedback, not the dev congratulations echo chamber

Making counter threads whenever controversy happens is just white knighting and helps nobody

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Thanking the devs IS feedback though. So stop with the double standard dude. This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The fact you just call it "congratulations echo chambering" says alot

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Originally Posted by ameliaw

You do realize that the OP lowkey insults people who are complaining about the balance, right?

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No, because they don't bother reading the OP, they just skip to the end and give us the same tired speech about 'toxicity' and 'haters' and that anyone who cares about the game enough to criticize it needs to 'step back and take a break'.

They're the critic police. Nobody's gonna dare say something potentially negative on their watch!

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Originally Posted by Axxion

that is the most crazy thing to say. people are enjoying it which is fine but what about the issues that they having? Place it on the fourm. and beside if you think complain is bad then stop play a male miqote then. They never was playable until after a AAR due to people complaining.

Now to the topic. There are so much to unpack. What a lot of this boils down to is not blindly praise anything. Take meta critic on the day after post of ender walker as a good example . You praise when things are good, when things are bad we provide feed back. we don't just make a post to counter something and then try to say that that only 2% don't even know what they are talking about. While as we legit always try to do that but you know what? many people including yourself are the same one to shut down criticism. Take drk and living dead. People actually thought that was the best invul in game and it was planned. I can count how many time that i died because i planned using it and still died because of the healer does not know how it works. After years it finally got fixed after yoshi p said him self that he was not aware that this was an issue.

Yoshi and his team gets a lot of praise no matter what. When another game does bad, game journalist will always reference aar as a example to fix there game. This is a staple for alot. When he was at e3 i think? a lot of people cheered him on because of what he did to 14. We know they can do better, we want them to do better. As it stand they becoming to complacent. Not going to sugar code it. I do understand that yoshi himself is taking another part as helping to develop the new ff entry. We get tired of the same thing and things not being updated. Like apartments, like the characters, housing, glamour, squadrons etc. We bring these things up and guess what? many people will shut that down because they don't want to change. We get tired of them not explaining the changes. As you can see they recently started doing this. if you notice they add systems on top of systems that they never go back to update. Feedback to you is that you need to start asking questions to see why people upset.

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The problem is that they don't consider the forums to be for feedback. They don't understand the core fundamental purpose of these forums.

The forums were invented for FEEDBACK, which in many cases is negative. This is not a social media website like Reddit or Twitter where you are meant to shower the dev team with praise for no reason whatsoever. Is it ok to praise the devs when they do well? Of course. I myself gave the dev team credit when 6.2 was better than I expected it to be. However, it is against the very purpose of the forums to attempt to convert the forums into a positive safe space for the devs. It is against the purpose of the forums to make 'positive' threads where you devote half of your OP to attacking people who dare to be 'negative'. The dev team themselves have gone on record saying that they want FEEDBACK on the forums. Feedback is not always praise. When the devs screw up balancing for a raid, the playerbase should hold them accountable so they fix it. Thankfully they have at least given us a solution due to the backlash, even if it wasn't the best solution.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?

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idk, the only reason this thread is still alive is because people keep coming in and insulting people with standards by labeling them as 'haters'.

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?

I still enjoy the game.
But I do think the split of developers between XVI and XIV shows a lot now with the current tier.
Balance is at its worst for classes. For the fact in RDPS that there is over 1000:1 clears from DNC:MCH.

Design philosophy changing from 'No we dont take into account how difficult a job is' to 'Oh, we totally do now.'

It leaves a lot to be desired for the raiding community.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

idk, the only reason this thread is still alive is because people keep coming in and insulting people with standards by labeling them as 'haters'.

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or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

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The people who freak out upon seeing critics of the game and resort to screaming at the top of their lungs and calling critics 'haters' are indeed white knights for the game. And considering that even the OP of the thread was one of said white knights, devoting half of their OP to insulting anyone who doesn't kiss SE's boots... if the shoe fits. What's your point?

By the way, people who merely thank SE are not 'white knights', don't take that as me saying as much. I think they could raise their standards for praise a bit, but they are not white knights. The white knights are specifically the people trying to silence critics of the game by labeling them as haters who should be ignored. (Example: Silverbane)

This is an example of a white knight:

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Originally Posted by AlaineIV

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

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This is not praising the devs. It's taking shots at people who don't shower the devs with praise even when they mess up. They are trying to minimize valid concerns to make the game seem better than it actually is.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Oh wow, they patched new lines into your script!

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Yeah, it's part of the 6.2 update.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think the people who don't want that to happen probably should have thought twice about coming into threads committed to compile criticism and feedback only to go off on lengthy tangents about how the game is fine and exceedingly popular and that any opposition exists solely in the form of a vocal minority.

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But Theodric... you're not respecting Striker's majoritah!!! You simply must remember that Endwalker was the 'most popular expansion ever' (TM) and that anyone who disagrees is in the minoritah, and thus must respect the factual opinions of those in the majoritah.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Kind of like how the people tired of Venat being criticised and held accountable probably should not have spent months or years declaring loudly that there was never, ever an excuse or justification for genocide only to change their tune as soon as their precious 'mOmMy GoDdEsS' became complicit in such acts herself.

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Uh oh. Someone said the V word! What's the ETA on SannaR, Mightymollusk, or Boblawblah screaming their head off because someone mentioned a character in the game?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

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Their intent was to either start this mess, or to insult critics of the game. They wore their motives on their sleeve. It's 100% one of those two, the question is just which one, and it's not like either are particularly great.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase?

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Oh wow, they patched new lines into your script!

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

But Theodric... you're not respecting Striker's majoritah!!! You simply must remember that Endwalker was the 'most popular expansion ever' (TM) and that anyone who disagrees is in the minoritah, and thus must respect the factual opinions of those in the majoritah.

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We are but grains of sand before Striker's Mt Majoritah.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

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and both can be done without being slightly to the other side.[despite the fact they are the same side, except some lean more towards one aspect than the other.]
or simply put argue for the sake of arguing.

this will keep going on and on til people realize.
that the main people conversing one side have been pretty fair. even giving examples of when no one objects.

while the other ignores the OP's slight, and just parrot.

it ends with people just leaving the conversation, and knowing that the thread was started on the wrong foot. By someone with clear intention to cover the feedback given by mostly level headed people.

and when some try to explain their reasoning. others come in and act black and white about it.<from both sides>

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

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I think the people who don't want that to happen probably should have thought twice about coming into threads committed to compile criticism and feedback only to go off on lengthy tangents about how the game is fine and exceedingly popular and that any opposition exists solely in the form of a vocal minority.

Kind of like how the people tired of Venat being criticised and held accountable probably should not have spent months or years declaring loudly that there was never, ever an excuse or justification for genocide only to change their tune as soon as their precious 'mOmMy GoDdEsS' became complicit in such acts herself.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

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the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

also seems to be a huge disconnect between "praise" and "thanks"

I enjoy the game, so gave thanks for that, praise is a different story. there are flaws and while one can only assume they are working on them, I dont see a lot of areas for outright praise as being done in a really noteworthy way. those definitions are not equal, as some seem to think.

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

Let me ask you this. Even if you disagree with me or others when we put forth criticism of something you like, what kind of culture do you want for the forums?

A forums where we are allowed to be honest, and both positivity and negativity have a place? A place where opinions can be shared freely?

Or a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where only one side of the debate is allowed? Where one side of the debate encompasses everything and anything to the contrary is silenced and expelled?

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

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so my question to you is. what about those people that are emotionally invested into this? If you haven't notice 14 community is emotionally driven to a point other people call it a cult. Should we bring up the lazy peon problem? or quin?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

Let me ask you this. Even if you disagree with me or others when we put forth criticism of something you like, what kind of culture do you want for the forums?

A forums where we are allowed to be honest, and both positivity and negativity have a place? A place where opinions can be shared freely?

Or a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where only one side of the debate is allowed? Where one side of the debate encompasses everything and anything to the contrary is silenced and expelled?

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

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Truth be told i rather people be honest.

And beside everybody know what twitter is mainly used for and that for all the nsfw ff content

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

also seems to be a huge disconnect between "praise" and "thanks"

I enjoy the game, so gave thanks for that, praise is a different story. there are flaws and while one can only assume they are working on them, I dont see a lot of areas for outright praise as being done in a really noteworthy way. those definitions are not equal, as some seem to think.

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here is the thing in which alot of people always forget. if you like something you can criticize it. I love 14, this one of my favorite mmo and the one that ill return to. However i do see the flaws in it. Like yoshi p said takes breaks. Me taking those breaks always want to suggest them to add more to 14. Other games to it better but why cant 14 take those ideas and put there own spin on it?

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I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive

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And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater'

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Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.
People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

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Like this. Classic hater behavior you're showing there, AwesomeJr.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills, but that's not really true. It's really you that's upset you.
Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.
Other people can only point it out, as I have done for you, many times.

A better person than you would learn from it. Well, maybe when you grow up.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.
People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

Like this. Classic hater behavior you're showing there, AwesomeJr.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills, but that's not really true. It's really you that's upset you.
Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.
Other people can only point it out, as I have done for you, many times.

A better person than you would learn from it. Well, maybe when you grow up.

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going to be serious with you. what is going on with you as of late? This is not me bashing, but just wondering why. Would like to say gratz on the house and you where right that it didn't take 7 plus years for it. But you have been on a rampage( well to me any way). is everything well?

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going to be serious with you. what is going on with you as of late? This is not me bashing, but just wondering why. Would like to say gratz on the house and you where right that it didn't take 7 plus years for it. But you have been on a rampage( well to me any). is everything well?

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I've been getting attacked a lot lately; the post above is a response to such an attack.
It's hardly a rampage, though. I've ignored a lot of those attacks.

I've an iron-clad rule, acquired back in the 20th Century, against posting when upset.
And the moment this forum causes me to lose a minute of sleep, I'm gone. That's not likely.

But that doesn't mean I can't write for emotional effect, as I have been trained to do.
And Anton Ego's soliloquy on being a food critic has some salient points.

[Edit: I figured AwesomeJr couldn't help but respond to this post by attacking me again. I was right.
Anyone who doesn't think AwesoneJr is obsessed with me isn't paying attention.]

Sometimes, i also think to myself to thank the dev and make this kind of thread, but again, i already paid subscription to the game monthly, it doesnt mean i disagree with this kind of thread, it just people need to remember, we played the game for the fun and paid for it, it is the dev duty and obligation to make sure it is fun for the player to justify the player to keep playing it and paid the subscription, it is simply business in the end of the day

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

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The right time to be positive is when SE does things you like. Not when they do the bare minimum. Conversely, it's ok to be negative when SE does something you don't like. That does not make you a hater.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.

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Define 'haters'. My guess is that 'haters' are people who don't constantly thank SE for everything and actually have the honesty in them to be negative when something's wrong in the game.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

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I haven't been lying and that's probably the scariest part. Everything I've said about you is true. You HAVE gone into multiple threads to start drama. You HAVE tried to play internet psychologist with me and pick apart my life (even though you failed massively) to discredit my desire that there would be more content during content droughts. You HAVE been a boastful person who can't make a post without either bragging about themselves or their spouse, or claiming to be the victim when someone rightfully points out what you're doing.

Silverbane. If you don't like what you see when I show you a mirror, I'm not the one you're horrified at.

Don't believe me? Need I once more get the housing thread quote as proof? I can link the whole thread for everyone else to see.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills,

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Your rhetorical skills are devastating bad. The only skills you seem to have are bragging and making others mad at you. But that can change. Don't settle for who you are today, go out there, learn new skills, and improve your tomorrow. (I should make that a quote, that sounds really inspiring)

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.

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Which you've proceeded to do to yourself multiple times. All I've done is provide the evidence.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Well, maybe when you grow up.

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I don't mean to offend any other elderly folks who may be browsing the thread, but if growing up means turning into a person like you, I'll pass. Thank you for the offer.

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Originally Posted by Ravor

Sometimes, i also think to myself to thank the dev and make this kind of thread, but again, i already paid subscription to the game monthly, it doesnt mean i disagree with this kind of thread, it just people need to remember, we played the game for the fun and paid for it, it is the dev duty and obligation to make sure it is fun for the player to justify the player to keep playing it and paid the subscription, it is simply business in the end of the day

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Exactly! And there's nothing wrong with praising the devs when they impress us. But our subscriptions are our thanks for doing the bare minimum, their jobs. Thus if they do not excel, they will receive our subs, but not our praises or thanks.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I've been getting attacked a lot lately; the post above is a response to such an attack.
It's hardly a rampage, though. I've ignored a lot of those attacks.

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You've been getting 'attacked' BECAUSE you're going on a rampage. You're showing up to threads, causing problems, then whining that you're getting called out for it. You have it all backwards. Stop the drama and no one will call you out for it. Even me. Seriously, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones with the whole internet psychologist thing if you develop some self awareness and stop what you're doing.

They're doing their job. And despite my distaste for design decisions, they're doing their job well. But it's their job nonetheless. "Working extra hard"... for what? For fixing the bugs they're supposed to fix?
Speaking as someone who works in software development myself, I wouldn't COMPLAIN about customers thanking me personally, but this is the kind of pet in the head we leave for our coworkers/managers/marketing to give us internally.

This community constantly treats the devs like they're a bunch of emotionally unstable teenagers who will cry in bed if they're not constantly thanked and praised by the community every few months.
No, they're professional adults. Which isn't something people with no career ambition outside of wanting to be a youtuber understand I guess.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase? It's more reflective of the popularity of FFXIV than anything else - there's simply so many people loving the game right now that even the few among them who spend their time on the forums are speaking up instead of just letting the ever-present echo chamber of negativity go unchallenged.

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This comes off more to me as an overly verbose manner of telling those with potentially valid critiques to simply leave and not speak their minds. Not exactly conducive to good feedback if you ask me....

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?

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https://i.imgur.com/mLcBgm7.jpg

Do you want it to? I can grant your wish, if you like....

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

This comes off more to me as an overly verbose manner of telling those with potentially valid critiques to simply leave and not speak their minds. Not exactly conducive to good feedback if you ask me....

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That's because that's exactly what it is.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

https://i.imgur.com/mLcBgm7.jpg

Do you want it to? I can grant your wish, if you like....

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Haha. I honestly feel like SannaR, MightyMollusk, and Boblawblah fear Venat threads more than everyone else wants them lol. Seriously, if you even mention the V word or the H word, they blow a gasket.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

That's because that's exactly what it is.



Haha. I honestly feel like SannaR, MightyMollusk, and Boblawblah fear Venat threads more than everyone else wants them lol. Seriously, if you even mention the V word or the H word, they blow a gasket.

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So if I say Venat a couple times, They will come crashing in?


Venat Venat Venat Venat

https://c.tenor.com/TYXFOBMebN4AAAAd/venat-ffxiv.gif

Yes, my child?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

The right time to be positive is when SE does things you like. Not when they do the bare minimum. Conversely, it's ok to be negative when SE does something you don't like. That does not make you a hater.



Define 'haters'. My guess is that 'haters' are people who don't constantly thank SE for everything and actually have the honesty in them to be negative when something's wrong in the game.



I haven't been lying and that's probably the scariest part. Everything I've said about you is true. You HAVE gone into multiple threads to start drama. You HAVE tried to play internet psychologist with me and pick apart my life (even though you failed massively) to discredit my desire that there would be more content during content droughts. You HAVE been a boastful person who can't make a post without either bragging about themselves or their spouse, or claiming to be the victim when someone rightfully points out what you're doing.

Silverbane. If you don't like what you see when I show you a mirror, I'm not the one you're horrified at.

Don't believe me? Need I once more get the housing thread quote as proof? I can link the whole thread for everyone else to see.



Your rhetorical skills are devastating bad. The only skills you seem to have are bragging and making others mad at you. But that can change. Don't settle for who you are today, go out there, learn new skills, and improve your tomorrow. (I should make that a quote, that sounds really inspiring)



Which you've proceeded to do to yourself multiple times. All I've done is provide the evidence.



I don't mean to offend any other elderly folks who may be browsing the thread, but if growing up means turning into a person like you, I'll pass. Thank you for the offer.



Exactly! And there's nothing wrong with praising the devs when they impress us. But our subscriptions are our thanks for doing the bare minimum, their jobs. Thus if they do not excel, they will receive our subs, but not our praises or thanks.



You've been getting 'attacked' BECAUSE you're going on a rampage. You're showing up to threads, causing problems, then whining that you're getting called out for it. You have it all backwards. Stop the drama and no one will call you out for it. Even me. Seriously, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones with the whole internet psychologist thing if you develop some self awareness and stop what you're doing.

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I just want to say that reading you completely dismantle this basket case of a human being was as insightful as it was enjoyable.

Thank YOU for making the forums a better place.