Baffling behavior

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.

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Interesting you have to be mindful of your fellow players. Very good, I understand now thank you.

My friend says it's the difference between being fitting & proper.

Willing to bet it was a healer that was leveling through lax content. It's no different than tanks leveling through other means instead of learning to tank through actual tanking content.

Healing leveling dungeons is "harder" than doing "expert" roulette or things like Bozja any day as ilvl cap will stunt the bad healers just like that, no gear carry won't allow them to be lazy.



You can kick for play style, you just can't be aggressive about it. Like if an FC queued with 2 people in a dungeon, you know who's going to win the vote draw. Plenty of people play this game like they think everyone solo queues everything.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.

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Based on OPs pattern of behavior throughout the entire arc of the situation, it's not hard to make inferences about the nature of the exchange he had with his party prior to his dismissal. Seeking emotional validation over a bad dungeon run, particularly one where any reasonable person would recognize they were underprepared, is not the type of behavior an emotionally stable adult engages in. The very existence of this post implies a strong emotional attachment to the situation that the OP can't let go of.

OP's replies throughout this thread have contained needless aggression towards anyone challenging his narrative. Don't you think it reasonable to infer he probably reacted similarly towards the people who challenged him in the dungeon itself?

Even in OP's biased recounting of events, you can plainly see inklings of his tone and the way he was thinking about and treating his team-mates.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

He responds back to me genuinely clueless. And I told him I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're not clueless you're just not listening. He carried on to defend the fact that he was genuinely clueless. I facepalmed... There are some dumb people that play this game... Even after 7 years. He actually blamed the Creator for why he thinks DPS is necessary for a healer class... I still don't buy it.

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OP was probably dismissed for harassment, in addition to his obstructive gameplay.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Based on OPs pattern of behavior throughout the entire arc of the situation, it's not hard to make inferences about the nature of the exchange he had with his party prior to his dismissal. Seeking emotional validation over a bad dungeon run, particularly one where any reasonable person would recognize they were underprepared, is not the type of behavior an emotionally stable adult engages in. The very existence of this post implies a strong emotional attachment to the situation that the OP can't let go of.

OP's replies throughout this thread have contained needless aggression towards anyone challenging his narrative. Don't you think it reasonable to infer he probably reacted similarly towards the people who challenged him in the dungeon itself?

Even in OP's biased recounting of events, you can plainly see inklings of his tone and the way he was thinking about and treating his team-mates.



OP was probably dismissed for harassment, in addition to his obstructive gameplay.

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i didn't think this thread would blow up as much as it did. I will tell you that whatever narrative you're drawing up is of no consequence to me. I know what happened as I was there. I'm not asking for validation as some of you guys are accusing me of. I also...clearly explained what had happened and what the point of the thread was. anything you're coming up with is just pettiness with the intent of misrepresenting what was going on.

I'll say honestly that i got over it the night it happened. Again, I requeued in and completed it regardless what other users here are accusing me of. Truth be told, i got to 70 and did that dungeon again for duty roulette and i STILL saw instances where healers were being lazy. The game scales you down, we all know this. I can still die to mobs. It happened. I'm just perusing the nonsense replies here and thinking these people act like they've never died before to lazy healing. ITs whatever. I'm about to hit 80 and finish the SHB MSQs and Post quests. its all good here.

The point of this whole thread was to say that we have players here whom have the wrong idea of prioritization.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I'll say honestly that i got over it the night it happened. Again, I requeued in and completed it regardless what other users here are accusing me of. Truth be told, i got to 70 and did that dungeon again for duty roulette and i STILL saw instances where healers were being lazy. The game scales you down, we all know this. I can still die to mobs. It happened. I'm just perusing the nonsense replies here and thinking these people act like they've never died before to lazy healing. ITs whatever. I'm about to hit 80 and finish the SHB MSQs and Post quests. its all good here.

The point of this whole thread was to say that we have players here whom have the wrong idea of prioritization.

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Complaining about about lazy healers whilst being no better yourself isn't a great look tbh. Exaggerating points to the extremes that you did was the icing on the cake. Just let it die++

Easy if you wipe on the first group of monsters or first boss because of healer not healing kick them. Like some where they say your hp went down to fast and couldn't heal you when been at that level of hp for few minutes. If it is the tank thats the problem kick them. I have been in few dungeons where ether the healer or tank been a bot.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Complaining about about lazy healers whilst being no better yourself isn't a great look tbh. Exaggerating points to the extremes that you did was the icing on the cake. Just let it die++

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oh hey, petty post #40.

I'd love to believe you're over it, I really would, but then you come here and bump the thread days after the discussion had died down.

Balancing DPS and Healing isn't 'wrong prioritization', it's what a healer does. You can agree or disagree, but continuing to argue about it here isn't going to accomplish anything nor exonerate you in the eyes of those who have already 'cast their judgement', if you will.

Just let it die.
Please.

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Originally Posted by Lexis

I'd love to believe you're over it, I really would, but then you come here and bump the thread days after the discussion had died down.

Balancing DPS and Healing isn't 'wrong prioritization', it's what a healer does. You can agree or disagree, but continuing to argue about it here isn't going to accomplish anything nor exonerate you in the eyes of those who have already 'cast their judgement', if you will.

Just let it die.
Please.

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excuse me...I will post on the thread I made as I please. I didn't have the time to converse with others as I have things to do outside of the forums. Today i had some time and didn't see that people stopped posting on it a couple days ago. You don't need to be here. Thanks

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

oh hey, petty post #40.

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It's quite a bit more than 40 to be honest :rolleyes:

Sometimes a bit of introspection is the best path to self improvement. Even if you weren't the root cause of the issue, there's generally always something you can do better to help avoid the issue in the future. Many suggestions have been made that'll long outlast your new gear such as hitting a cooldown just before you park the pull to make that initial damage spike more manageable when you inevitably run into more bad healers further down the line.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

i didn't think this thread would blow up as much as it did. I will tell you that whatever narrative you're drawing up is of no consequence to me. I know what happened as I was there. I'm not asking for validation as some of you guys are accusing me of. I also...clearly explained what had happened and what the point of the thread was. anything you're coming up with is just pettiness with the intent of misrepresenting what was going on.

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I mean you didn't really explain anything, you explained how you died twice, words were said, you got kicked. Everything else wasn't of much relevance.

Since you're here still mind telling me what Ilevel you were when this happened? I wanted to check your gear but you reached 70 and swapped it all fairly quickly.

Also I can't speak for everyone but if you want genuine responses you have to be genuine with the information you provide.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

It's quite a bit more than 40 to be honest :rolleyes:

Sometimes a bit of introspection is the best path to self improvement. Even if you weren't the root cause of the issue, there's generally always something you can do better to help avoid the issue in the future. Many suggestions have been made that'll long outlast your new gear such as hitting a cooldown just before you park the pull to make that initial damage spike more manageable when you inevitably run into more bad healers further down the line.

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I'm thinking were ships passing in the night here.

I'm not asking for suggestions. I'm not asking for argument. This post was made a while back and people here are arguing with one another about the circumstances. I'm not even sure why people can't fathom bad playstyles yet can use that same logic to scorn others. too many people are too invested in coming up with a "head canon" of what had happened and more often than not, its petty.

Again, The point of the thread was to just say I had a team that didn't work well. its not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

I mean you didn't really explain anything, you explained how you died twice, words were said, you got kicked. Everything else wasn't of much relevance.

Since you're here still mind telling me what Ilevel you were when this happened? I wanted to check your gear but you reached 70 and swapped it all fairly quickly.

Also I can't speak for everyone but if you want genuine responses you have to be genuine with the information you provide.

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That's the thing, I'm not looking for anything. I'm just commenting on the pettiness. It was all good the night it happened. I shrugged it off, requeued and had a better team. NBD.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I'm thinking were ships passing in the night here.

I'm not asking for suggestions. I'm not asking for argument. This post was made a while back and people here are arguing with one another about the circumstances. I'm not even sure why people can't fathom bad playstyles yet can use that same logic to scorn others. too many people are too invested in coming up with a "head canon" of what had happened and more often than not, its petty.

Again, The point of the thread was to just say I had a team that didn't work well. its not a big deal.

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If you're being honest with this post you need some introspection.

Your initial post was uninformative about a situation many people commonly see, it's a very argumentative topic, especially when one party presumably isn't presenting the full truth of the situation.
Also you were very combative with your continuing posts so it's hard for anyone (including yourself unless you're being intellectually dishonest) to believe you weren't looking for an argument.
You still also haven't given us all the information in relation to the situation.
You also can't talk about bad playstyles when you're wearing level 60 gear in a level 69 dungeon, once again what Ilevel were you when you did that run?

If it wasn't a big deal you would've let it die.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

That's the thing, I'm not looking for anything. I'm just commenting on the pettiness. It was all good the night it happened. I shrugged it off, requeued and had a better team. NBD.

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That's simply intellectually dishonest and you know it, if you weren't looking for anything you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I'm thinking were ships passing in the night here.

I'm not asking for suggestions. I'm not asking for argument. This post was made a while back and people here are arguing with one another about the circumstances. I'm not even sure why people can't fathom bad playstyles yet can use that same logic to scorn others. too many people are too invested in coming up with a "head canon" of what had happened and more often than not, its petty.

Again, The point of the thread was to just say I had a team that didn't work well. its not a big deal.

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Being completely disinterested in learning from this again shows that you're no better than the healer in the story tbh. Are you forgetting the simple fact that your side of the story doesn't add up correctly? It's this that has people filling in the gaps themselves. Again, please don't take this as me trying to defend the healer, my impression is that this is just a case of 'when bads collide'. Take that as you will.

Lastly, I think you are misunderstanding the definition, purpose and inevitable usage of a discussion forum.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

If you're being honest with this post you need some introspection.

Your initial post was uninformative about a situation many people commonly see, it's a very argumentative topic, especially when one party presumably isn't presenting the full truth of the situation.
Also you were very combative with your continuing posts so it's hard for anyone (including yourself unless you're being intellectually dishonest) to believe you weren't looking for an argument.
You still also haven't given us all the information in relation to the situation.
You also can't talk about bad playstyles when you're wearing level 60 gear in a level 69 dungeon, once again what Ilevel were you when you did that run?

If it wasn't a big deal you would've let it die.



That's simply intellectually dishonest and you know it, if you weren't looking for anything you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with.

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I can make my original post how I please. I did let it die. I came back and saw some petty users here misrepresenting what had happened and commented on it. I clearly said even THAT day that this was just bringing up a time I had a bad team and we had a bad time.

You certainly are free to post in your own thread, OP, but why bump it if you have nothing to add to the conversation? None of your posts add any substance, they just re-iterate how 'over all of this' you are while simultaneously refusing to let it go. There's now 18 pages for you to read and hopefully learn from, opposing viewpoints offering a perspective other than your own. What more do you want, beyond unwarranted attention?

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Originally Posted by Lexis

You certainly are free to post in your own thread, OP, but why bump it if you have nothing to add to the conversation? None of your posts add any substance, they just re-iterate how 'over all of this' you are while simultaneously refusing to let it go. There's now 18 pages for you to read and hopefully learn from, opposing viewpoints offering a perspective other than your own. What more do you want, beyond unwarranted attention?

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That's my business. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I can make my original post how I please. I did let it die. I came back and saw some petty users here misrepresenting what had happened and commented on it. I clearly said even THAT day that this was just bringing up a time I had a bad team and we had a bad time.

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If you can't even be honest with yourself why should anyone believe you?

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Being completely disinterested in learning from this again shows that you're no better than the healer in the story tbh. Are you forgetting the simple fact that your side of the story doesn't add up correctly? It's this that has people filling in the gaps themselves. Again, please don't take this as me trying to defend the healer, my impression is that this is just a case of 'when bads collide'. Take that as you will.

Lastly, I think you are misunderstanding the definition, purpose and inevitable usage of a discussion forum.

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this is one of those "you had to be there" sort of moments. I've been on both sides of this and maybe if I was more vocal about this, I'd have joined the forums years ago. This stuff happens. There's nothing I need to learn about what I need to do as I am doing it. We all get a spot of trouble, rare, I'm sure but it happens.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

this is one of those "you had to be there" sort of moments. I've been on both sides of this and maybe if I was more vocal about this, I'd have joined the forums years ago. This stuff happens. There's nothing I need to learn about what I need to do as I am doing it. We all get a spot of trouble, rare, I'm sure but it happens.

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It's really not. You just aren't being honest. The fact you think you need to learn nothing from this situation is astonishing.

If anything the one thing you should take away from this is that wearing level 60 gear for the wrong class in a level 69 dungeon is not acceptable.

Just because a team can carry your laziness does not make it so.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I came back and saw some petty users here misrepresenting what had happened and commented on it.

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Misrepresenting eh? Let's see now...

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

I told you on both encounters, I began by using the AOE attack as my tank class. Before I could mitigate damage and or attack again I was killed. I saw the healer not heal at all.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

You have to put yourself in the situation. The first mob running in with an attack and before you even can do the next action, you die because you took a lot of damage. You're going to sit there and say "well how come you didn't react within a half press of a button?"

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.

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Ok cool. We're certain you died in 2 seconds. Basically a GCD.

But wait, what's this.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Cure_II

Oh. Cure II takes..... 2 seconds to cast.

In your own words:

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

In the span of a half button press? No, sorry, i havent mastered hyperspeed.

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You don't think it's reasonable to expect you to have gotten an instant cast oGCD cooldown off but you expect some random duty roulette healer to not only be able to react in time, but also manage to stop moving and fire off a 2 second cast heal in the same timeframe?

But lets carry on.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

Let's get real here. This whole situation happened within like 2 minutes.

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Riddle me this, doesn't 5 minutes have to have passed within the duty before anyone can initiate a vote kick? By all means correct me if I'm wrong on this one.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

this is one of those "you had to be there" sort of moments. I've been on both sides of this and maybe if I was more vocal about this, I'd have joined the forums years ago. This stuff happens. There's nothing I need to learn about what I need to do as I am doing it. We all get a spot of trouble, rare, I'm sure but it happens.

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If you're not interested in learning pointers to help make tanking these dungeons smoother with the inevitable sleepy/afk healer, then at least consider not leaning so heavily on hyperbole and exaggerations to get your point across. This should have been another footnote in the tales from the DF thread, instead you ballooned it into some ugly monstrosity with your claims.

Hell I just checked your profile, you're level 79 in full augmented Scaeven gear you literally learned nothing.

https://i.imgur.com/YvwoG9f.png

Yes, I'm not interested in pointers. Thanks. What I need to do as a tank is being done.

Nah that's a lie, your words alone do show that you're a terrible tank too.

At this point, the OP is either a troll who is trying to go a second round and failing or someone who likes pointless arguments and failing to start a second round. :B

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Hell I just checked your profile, you're level 79 in full augmented Scaeven gear you literally learned nothing.

https://i.imgur.com/YvwoG9f.png

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If they are leveling through Bozja or Shadowbringers beast trible quests then I could see why they might not feel like upgrading their gear. Heck, I did the same thing with some of my jobs while leveling. But if they are going into roulettes and dungeons like that and getting lvl 78+ duties...oof. Those poor healers.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

If they are leveling through Bozja or Shadowbringers beast trible quests then I could see why they might not feel like upgrading their gear. Heck, I did the same thing with some of my jobs while leveling. But if they are going into roulettes and dungeons like that and getting lvl 78+ duties...oof. Those poor healers.

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At this point, I'm just making my ignore list bigger. People here are missing the overall point and just want to troll.

What I don’t understand is OP said many pages back that he finished the dungeon and it was all fine. He said he isn’t looking for pointers/tips and he’s tanking just fine. Why don’t you guys lay off and find something better to do with your time than continuing to harass this poor guy.

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

P.S. OP I am so sorry you have been treated this way. These few bad apples aren’t a representation on most of the ffxiv community I assure you. You didn’t ask for peoples tips but they just went in on you. Disgusting. If I were you I’d stop responding because the more you respond the more they will keep going. Just let this thread die. Happy gaming OP.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

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Hate to break this out: if venting is what they wish to do, there’s another more suitable thread to do just that. It’s the classic TfDF thread. THAT would be the perfect place to vent regardless of one’s actual performance—it’s made for that. Heck the first post of that thread blatantly said “Let’s vent.”. Less people giving a damn of whether the stories are actually true or not, and they OP get to vent out their frustration: it’s a win-win.

Meanwhile this is a new thread in discussion forum. Not exactly suitable, imho. This is basically like making a statement in an open forum and demanding everybody on the board to not refute nor making any comments against said statement. Even a twitter post would suit better than this… mess.

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Originally Posted by Necrogen

At this point, I'm just making my ignore list bigger. People here are missing the overall point and just want to troll.

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If you want to add me to your list then that's fine, but I haven't insulted you in any way. I was looking at both sides of that particular point. I read your OP and subsequent responses. While I don't necessarily agree with your mentality on some things, it's still a team effort. Everyone has to do their part, especially the healers. If they aren't keeping you alive then that's an issue. A pretty big one actually, seeing as they keep the group going at all. But if you aren't doing what you can to keep yourself alive then that's another issue entirely. I'm mostly just trying to keep in mind that we are only hearing one side of this.

We tried to 'lay off' many times throughout this thread. OP is the one who not only refuses to let go (as evidenced by their reply to the thread that had been dormant for 3 days) but also feels the need to belittle everyone that 'dares' to share opinions that differ from their own.

I'm quite literally asking them to stop posting and drop this so we can all move on with our lives and the forums be cluttered with one less pointless thread.

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If you want to add me to your list then that's fine, but I haven't insulted you in any way. I was looking at both sides of that particular point. I read your OP and subsequent responses. While I don't necessarily agree with your mentality on some things, it's still a team effort. Everyone has to do their part, especially the healers. If they aren't keeping you alive then that's an issue. A pretty big one actually, seeing as they keep the group going at all. But if you aren't doing what you can to keep yourself alive then that's another issue entirely. I'm mostly just trying to keep in mind that we are only hearing one side of this.

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sorry i didn't mean you. i meant others.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

What I don’t understand is OP said many pages back that he finished the dungeon and it was all fine. He said he isn’t looking for pointers/tips and he’s tanking just fine. Why don’t you guys lay off and find something better to do with your time than continuing to harass this poor guy.

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

P.S. OP I am so sorry you have been treated this way. These few bad apples aren’t a representation on most of the ffxiv community I assure you. You didn’t ask for peoples tips but they just went in on you. Disgusting. If I were you I’d stop responding because the more you respond the more they will keep going. Just let this thread die. Happy gaming OP.

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yea I'm leaving this be.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

he’s tanking just fine.

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Stop it. Get some help.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

What I don’t understand is OP said many pages back that he finished the dungeon and it was all fine. He said he isn’t looking for pointers/tips and he’s tanking just fine. Why don’t you guys lay off and find something better to do with your time than continuing to harass this poor guy.

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

P.S. OP I am so sorry you have been treated this way. These few bad apples aren’t a representation on most of the ffxiv community I assure you. You didn’t ask for peoples tips but they just went in on you. Disgusting. If I were you I’d stop responding because the more you respond the more they will keep going. Just let this thread die. Happy gaming OP.

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Thanks i really needed to laugh i was so bored rn.
It checks everything :
Doesn't read the thread : Yes
Must act like the good white knight that he is : Yes
Start to blast randomly and will accept toxic behavior when he thinks he's right : Yes
Believe what a random dude on the internet says : Yes
Blame elitism and everyone else : Yes

No really i dont think it can be more hilarous than that truly a masterpiece.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

Thanks i really needed to laugh i was so bored rn.
It checks everything :
Doesn't read the thread : Yes
Must act like the good white knight that he is : Yes
Start to blast randomly and will accept toxic behavior when he thinks he's right : Yes
Believe what a random dude on the internet says : Yes
Blame elitism and everyone else : Yes

No really i dont think it can be more hilarous than that truly a masterpiece.

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This is one of the most significant drawbacks to having such an outwardly 'positive' community; It creates an environment where it's difficult to hold people accountable for essentially taking advantage of others.

In my general experience, people white-knighting on behalf of types like OP are usually doing so because they're defending their own pattern of behavior by proxy. They recognize that OP is of a similar nature, so they feel it's advantageous on some level to help portray them as a victim.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Hell I just checked your profile, you're level 79 in full augmented Scaeven gear you literally learned nothing.

https://i.imgur.com/YvwoG9f.png

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400 ilvl to 416 ilvl isn't a huge jump and isn't half as important as people are making it out to be, to be honest, you can still easily w2w mt. gulg with it

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

What I don’t understand is OP said many pages back that he finished the dungeon and it was all fine. He said he isn’t looking for pointers/tips and he’s tanking just fine. Why don’t you guys lay off and find something better to do with your time than continuing to harass this poor guy.

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

P.S. OP I am so sorry you have been treated this way. These few bad apples aren’t a representation on most of the ffxiv community I assure you. You didn’t ask for peoples tips but they just went in on you. Disgusting. If I were you I’d stop responding because the more you respond the more they will keep going. Just let this thread die. Happy gaming OP.

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people like you are what's wrong with this community and that's a hill I'm willing to die on
stop enabling bad people
stop enabling bad players
stop enabling their toxicity
personal responsibility is important and you're absolving them of that by being this 'nice' person and blaming the people who are rightfully grilling OP on their lack of it

Just in general, even making mild suggestions about anything having to do with how people play is met with either complete silence or people losing their minds.

Couple of days ago I did Qitana Ravel and had to Tank as SAM because the Tank was a booster and was just randomly using his cds on cd and only random single target attacks on one mob at a time ( he still double pulled ).
At the start he was talking and everything so he was clearly not a mute, and neither were the others I think they knew each other.

After a couple of pulls I said '' so I am SAM tanking? '' and the Healer responds with lol.
Couple of more pulls and somehow managing first boss I said '' Tank can you use some AoE please? I am getting the aggro ''.
Complete silence and he continued doing the same thing, I was Tanking the whole way through and no one listened to me on last boss and we actually ran out of time, first time that has ever happened for me.
They actually did talk too at last boss Tank included and were just spaming wtf and such when they died to every mechanic.
I marked myself and everything and explained the mechanics but nope, nothing got through to them.

Some people are just hopeless, no matter how hard you try they can't even manage something as simple as pushing their AoE button.
Even just the one button would've been better than what this Tank was doing but nah couldn't even do that even when pointed out to him.

I've had people lose their minds and get mad at me too for telling a SAM to not stand in front of the boss in Nier Raids.
The SAM even responded to me and said thanks, I think he had boosted too and was new didn't know what was going on, but after everyone lost their minds at me the SAM thought I was in the wrong and went back to standing in front of the boss and died constantly to cleaves.

This stuff is just one of the most baffling and annoying thing about the FFXIV community to me.
I still think FFXIV has the best community, but this is just one of the quirks that I truly don't understand.
Everyone acts as if literally any comment on how someone is playing is the same as being toxic, it's not.