FIX GARUDA!!!

dragonfire dive doesn't suck, plumes are simply magic resistant. blm is useless for them, monk with FoF is useless for them, dragoon 15min is useless for them- as i've already said.

monk is far superior to dragoon in single target dps. dragoon has great (but not amazing) single target dps, and makes up for any shortcomings there with their aoe capabilities. in fact, played correctly a dragoon has some of the best aoe of any physical dps job in the game- rivaling warrior with their OP steel cyclone (while having much higher single-target dps than war). all things being equal, dragoon will almost never match monk in single-target dps. therefore you bring them along for good single target and great aoe. period.

so, yes. you do rely on dragoon to aoe. but you don't ask dragoon to handle *all* of the aoe. that was never the point and never implied. all physical dps with aoe contribute to burning down plumes. (and again- monk is exempt from this if you have enough physical dps that you don't need them to game FoF)

stating a preference of how things "should be" is one thing, but what i've said is simply the reality of current job design.

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dragonfire dive doesn't suck, plumes are simply magic resistant. blm is useless for them, monk with FoF is useless for them, dragoon 15min is useless for them- as i've already said.

monk is far superior to dragoon in single target dps. dragoon has great (but not amazing) single target dps, and makes up for any shortcomings there with their aoe capabilities. in fact, played correctly a dragoon has some of the best aoe of any physical dps job in the game- rivaling warrior with their OP steel cyclone (while having much higher single-target dps than war). all things being equal, dragoon will almost never match monk in single-target dps. therefore you bring them along for good single target and great aoe. period.

so, yes. you do rely on dragoon to aoe. but you don't ask dragoon to handle *all* of the aoe. that was never the point and never implied. all physical dps with aoe contribute to burning down plumes. (and again- monk is exempt from this if you have enough physical dps that you don't need them to game FoF)

stating a preference of how things "should be" is one thing, but what i've said is simply the reality of current job design.

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I wasn't stating a preference. I said quite clearly dragonfire dive sucks for plumes, so I'm not sure why you thought I said it sucked in general. It clearly does not suck in general, but it sucks for plumes (as I said, again, quite clearly). As far as the rest, I wasn't addressing you but everyone else who was counting on DRG to aoe, since you said quite clearly that DRG should be able to use Keen Flurry on other skills if everyone does their job properly. Honestly, you were supposed to just ignore that, because I assumed that you'd know I couldn't be talking to you.

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We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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I want you to know you're my new favorite community rep.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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Mah every burner would have 7/7 by then, might as well disable the battle altogether. At least we will be farming in peace.

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We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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Good to hear! Doesn't sound like it'd affect normal combat much at all.

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We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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Pff by the time they fix this, my whole linkshell will be 7/7 already...

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Pff by the time they fix this, my whole linkshell will be 7/7 already...

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Congratulations to your LS for being able to beat the dev team.

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Pff by the time they fix this, my whole linkshell will be 7/7 already...

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Good for you?

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Good for you?

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Nah. He wasn't invited . Lol

Least we have a deadline, 1 week to get 7/7, thats 1 wep a day XD 20 wins a day! (less if ur super lucky)

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Least we have a deadline, 1 week to get 7/7, thats 1 wep a day XD 20 wins a day! (less if ur super lucky)

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haha already 3+1.5 weapon :)

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Least we have a deadline, 1 week to get 7/7, thats 1 wep a day XD 20 wins a day! (less if ur super lucky)

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You could always try learning the fight. Do people not play video games for challenge anymore?

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Do people not play video games for challenge anymore?

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No .

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You could always try learning the fight. Do people not play video games for challenge anymore?

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Lol, pick-up parties are going 7/7...why would they change anything until they have to.

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You could always try learning the fight. Do people not play video games for challenge anymore?

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I just dont find it challenging, it was the first time, and maybe a few times after that, but the strategy got nailed down and it was a case of "woo now we grind grind grind" not into that personally so its about where i stopped, then i did the burns, which is begining to get boring as that challenge is over.

Ifrit was challenging first time, is it now? Nopes. How i feel about it.

I play games to have fun most of the time tho, not seeking challenge, get a lot of challenge from RL stuff. I play games to RELAX and have FUN.

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I just dont find it challenging, it was the first time, and maybe a few times after that, but the strategy got nailed down and it was a case of "woo now we grind grind grind" not into that personally so its about where i stopped, then i did the burns, which is begining to get boring as that challenge is over.

Ifrit was challenging first time, is it now? Nopes. How i feel about it.

I play games to have fun most of the time tho, not seeking challenge, get a lot of challenge from RL stuff. I play games to RELAX and have FUN.

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You called it a drag and a clusterfuck. I have a hard time believing you "got it nailed down" before BLM burning.

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You called it a drag and a clusterfuck. I have a hard time believing you "got it nailed down" before BLM burning.

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Ah well, something you have to live with.

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You called it a drag and a clusterfuck. I have a hard time believing you "got it nailed down" before BLM burning.

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We had maybe 10 kills before BLM burn strat came out...and we didn't have it nailed down.

BLM burn is nailed into the coffin....Until May 10th! :p

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I just dont find it challenging, it was the first time, and maybe a few times after that, but the strategy got nailed down and it was a case of "woo now we grind grind grind" not into that personally so its about where i stopped, then i did the burns, which is begining to get boring as that challenge is over.

Ifrit was challenging first time, is it now? Nopes. How i feel about it.

I play games to have fun most of the time tho, not seeking challenge, get a lot of challenge from RL stuff. I play games to RELAX and have FUN.

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i think it took BG 32 runs or so to even beat it so the whole challenging first couple times thing seems a bit exaggerated. Also you said before that before this strat came out is was a cluster F and you'd rather not do it at all then do it the old way...

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I feel we will just get into one of those "interweb arguements" that never ends, so opinions be opinions.

I prefer this method, and sadly will see it gone as i find it much more fun than the cluster fuck that is the "normal strategy".

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The normal strategy is not a cluster ---- if you know what your doing. Its just a bit less relaxed on positioning and reflexes compared to the other fights in game.

Could we get a request going asking for people who used the exploit to lose their garuda weapons? It affects the items rarity to have everyone have all the weapons...

I'm sure its logged somewhere.

And it'd leave in record that if you do an exploit you'll lose your winnings.

you mad you can't kill garuda?

defmadmang

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Garuda's not broken, she's just po'ed that we're after her body parts....I mean, ahem, weapons >_>

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hehe, who wouldn't??

I want Garuda "gear" ^^,

It's hard to link up with a decent LS around my time-zone and It's summer, I play in the garage, when it's cool....(sigh)

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We will be fixing/adjusting the Garuda battle in patch 1.22a, which is scheduled to be released on May 10th.

The adjustments to the battle will be made such that there are no extreme effects to players who have been using regular strategies. Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast.

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new strat; burn garuda so fast that the pillars dont go down and you hit the Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast. then just use the extra 2 minutes you have from when 2hr is over to when the clones can wipe pt to burn her down. gg

I wonder this....

At some point when the level cap is 99, BLMs will be able to go to Ifrit or Garuda and one shot them with one big Burstaga or something like that, therefore, skipping hellfire or Aerial blast completely...

Would that, also, be an exploit?

in what universe is that a serious question? this content is designed for level 50s, with level 50 stats and abilities in mind. period.

your logic is so hard to follow my brain just completely shut off.

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new strat; burn garuda so fast that the pillars dont go down and you hit the Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast. then just use the extra 2 minutes you have from when 2hr is over to when the clones can wipe pt to burn her down. gg

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If you full burn Garuda hard enough to avoid having to fight plumes at all I kind of doubt you'll have enough MP to burn Garuda to 0% without having to kill clones.

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in what universe is that a serious question? this content is designed for level 50s, with level 50 stats and abilities in mind. period.

your logic is so hard to follow my brain just completely shut off.

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Were you surprised to find that it was already in the off position? (you know I love ya fusional)

My point is.. burning at the right time or "too hard" can never be an exploit...
Anyone who says "Skipping phases" is an exploit is being silly

You're right... it is "designed" for level 50s... your point is that it doesn't matter at that point, hence it wouldn't be an exploit for a level 99 group to one shot it

well right now it is "designed" so that Aerial Blast is not triggered by HP. It was an unexpected design flaw, to say the least
But the point is.... it's no different

And technically it is is "designed" for a party 45+, which includes level 99, once there is one

BLM is not an exploit... it takes the fun out of the fight, yes, but not really an exploit

Er- Reality of the fact, Rydin, is that the THM burn strategy simply made them aware of an AI error wherein it failed to recognize the dropping HP if it was dropped too fast.
The trigger to activate her Super Move even if she was dropped to 1% in one hit was probably already in place, however, it failed to activate due to a program error related to the speed of damage dealt. They are fixing that AI flaw and that particular move is now not possible to be skipped, if you can still burn her past other phases, that is definitively a viable strategy. The 'exploit' here would not be the heavy burn but the AI bug which caused her to ignore the 'drop everything, execute supermove' trigger, which will be fixed.

They're not moving to fight back this burn strategy, they're not moving to 'nerf' thaumaturges they're not doing anything OTHER than fix a simple issue.

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Er- Reality of the fact, Rydin, is that the THM burn strategy simply made them aware of an AI error wherein it failed to recognize the dropping HP if it was dropped too fast.
The trigger to activate her Super Move even if she was dropped to 1% in one hit was probably already in place, however, it failed to activate due to a program error related to the speed of damage dealt. They are fixing that AI flaw and that particular move is now not possible to be skipped, if you can still burn her past other phases, that is definitively a viable strategy. The 'exploit' here would not be the heavy burn but the AI bug which caused her to ignore the 'drop everything, execute supermove' trigger, which will be fixed.

They're not moving to fight back this burn strategy, they're not moving to 'nerf' thaumaturges they're not doing anything OTHER than fix a simple issue.

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I know, It needs to be fixed.. but I don't condemn the people doing it.
My point is when youc all it an exploit, you are calling the people who take advantage of it "Exploiters"
and that carries a very negative connotation.
I definitely prefer the regular way to beat it, but I would never chastise someone for SE's mistake

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If you full burn Garuda hard enough to avoid having to fight plumes at all I kind of doubt you'll have enough MP to burn Garuda to 0% without having to kill clones.

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simply depends on what threshold or hp percentage they will use for a forced aerial. A slightly modified approach; have a war over a blm that will then allow you to have another teleport to rest on since the war can pretty much clear the adds with 1 cyclone+a few bard shots.

If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

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simply depends on what threshold or hp percentage they will use for a forced aerial. A slightly modified approach; have a war over a blm that will then allow you to have another teleport to rest on since the war can pretty much clear the adds with 1 cyclone+a few bard shots.

If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

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gotta find out the steel cyclone nerf first.

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I know, It needs to be fixed.. but I don't condemn the people doing it.
My point is when youc all it an exploit, you are calling the people who take advantage of it "Exploiters"
and that carries a very negative connotation.
I definitely prefer the regular way to beat it, but I would never chastise someone for SE's mistake

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because it is, in fact, an exploit

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If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

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and if that ends up being the case, it's irrelevant because at least every group is forced to deal with aerial blast and phase 3- which are clearly intended mechanics in the fight... and which, incidentally, are what's holding back 90% of groups from being able to down garuda without leaning on the blm burn exploit.

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Were you surprised to find that it was already in the off position? (you know I love ya fusional)

My point is.. burning at the right time or "too hard" can never be an exploit...
Anyone who says "Skipping phases" is an exploit is being silly

You're right... it is "designed" for level 50s... your point is that it doesn't matter at that point, hence it wouldn't be an exploit for a level 99 group to one shot it

well right now it is "designed" so that Aerial Blast is not triggered by HP. It was an unexpected design flaw, to say the least
But the point is.... it's no different

And technically it is is "designed" for a party 45+, which includes level 99, once there is one

BLM is not an exploit... it takes the fun out of the fight, yes, but not really an exploit

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Rydin...im sorry but you are starting to be ridiculous. I'm starting to think you have no idea what an "exploit" even is, nor what it even means. Its either that, or you are in such denial that you are ceasing to make sense and comprehend facts. First of all, abusing an unintended design flaw is the definition of an exploit. This means that a BLM burn strategy is an exploit, because it abuses a mechanic that is not supposed to be there. There's just no getting around it, and no rationalization. Yoshi came out and said that it is a bug, and the hp check is not working like it should. Strategically taking advantage of this is what we would call "exploiting". If there was a bug that allowed you to run through walls to the end of the dungeon, and players took advantage of this, wouldnt it be an exploit? You wouldn't disagree, it is most definitely an exploit. BLM burn is no different. There's a bug that allows you to skip aerial blast, BLM tries to take advantage of that. Exploit is an exploit is an exploit.

Sorry for the dose of reality but it is what it is, confirmed by the lead designer himself. How are you even still trying to convince yourself its not an exploit at all?

A lvl 99 pwning a lvl 50 is a mechanic that is *supposed* to be there, so them one-shotting the bosses is not an exploit..obviously. Thats just a stupid example lol.

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Rydin...im sorry but you are starting to be ridiculous. I'm starting to think you have no idea what an "exploit" even is, nor what it even means. Its either that, or you are in such denial that you are ceasing to make sense and comprehend facts. First of all, abusing an unintended design flaw is the definition of an exploit. This means that a BLM burn strategy is an exploit, because it abuses a mechanic that is not supposed to be there.

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Yes, but by "abusing" you mean doing exactly what BLMs were designed to do... nuking
I understand what you guys are saying... I just have to play the devil's advocate here

If a stop sign is poorly made, and it falls under it's own weight and cars no longer stop at that particular intersection....
That stop sign (And in turn, that intersection) are no longer working as intended...
Whether you KNOW the stop sign was supposed to be there or not, you are not legally bound to stop at the corner, and therefore cannot be penalized for failing to stop

the fact that the so much of community fights tooth and nail to white knight exploiting/exploiters every major patch is just incredible, and only serves to underscore how our community is comprised primarily of carebears drunk with entitlement, rallying against anything resembling challenge and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

while part of the blame rests on square's shoulders for not making more of an example of people who choose to exploit even after devs (and yoshi himself) make it clear what they're doing is taking advantage of bugs in game design, at the very least the community should have the fortitude to sack it up and admit it's not cool.

but people instead choose to delusionally defend exploiting, because all they really care about is that they benefit from it. and their primary argument is "well, it doesn't affect you so why do you care?"

99% of anything anyone does on the planet doesn't affect you. so do we just stop convicting criminals of crimes simply because it has no direct impact on us individually? that's retarded.

no, this isn't real life. but just as there are rules in real life, there are rules in games. especially when the game is a sandbox where lots and lots of other people are playing. without rules it's anarchy. if you want anarchy, play single player console games.

bottom line.